The solution for healthcare that will never be instituted

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The solution to good healthcare that will never be instituted because the human race is made up of morons, is simply to abide by the 10th amendment to our Constitution.

“The powers not delegated to the United Sates by the Constitution, or prohibited by it to the States are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

The federal government as designed by our founders incorporated the idea that the best way to avoid corrupted government was to empower the government closest to the people where they, (the people) could better know what was going on in government, i.e. State and local government and thereby the folks could be more informed about their politicians and vote the bastards out who were truly the bastards and vote the uncorrupted folks into government offices

The founders understood that the voters in state A had no control over who the voters in state B voted into a federal government, thus representatives from several states were more immune to the actual will of all of the people and thereby what the folks in one state accepted and promoted as moral and economic standards might well be rejected by folks in other states, thus we got the 10th amendment i.e. the founders didn’t believe that a federal government instituting federal “fits all” laws was a good idea. That’s why the federal government was designed by the Constitution to leave the majority of law making powers to the states, (as regulated by the individual rights and immunities guaranteed by the national Constitution), and only empower the federal government to do what the states and the folks couldn’t do for themselves, (see Article one section eight of our Constitution.

Fixing the nation’s healthcare system requires that a corrupt inept and incompetent federal government get the hell out of the healthcare business and leave the money and the power to design individual state healthcare system with the states. That’s exactly what our founders intended, a laboratory of states learning one from the other how to deliver to the people the best healthcare and thereby even promoting at the same time the right and freedom of the folks to vote with their feet and move to the states whereby they were most politically agreeable with, not just for healthcare, but for every moral and economic established system promoted and financed and delivered by a particular state.

SPOT ON!

 

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dear fucking idiot,

Likes talking to herself.

 

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Even though the majority of multimillionaire insurance company heads vote Republican.
Hasn't your used by date passed?

You have a link to this bullshit snowflake?

 

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Because it is well known that cancer totally respects state borders; that simply driving from Kansas to Oklahoma cures prostate cancer.

Absurdity; the last refuge for liars, fools, idiots like you and ignorance. Yay you!

 

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Healthcare in the United States HAS TO BE repaired.

No; it has to be left alone. The central Government doesn't fix anything; it makes shit worse. But alas, you're a moron on steroids and cannot possibly comprehend the OBVIOUS.

 

[LV426]

And the "SOLUTION" according to Frankie is?????

Single payer.

Having one entity reimburse all providers gives it the sole bargaining power to negotiate for lower fees while also eliminating the costly overhead and administration costs associated with for-profit administrators. It also makes health care portable.

Making that change to the back-end of the process has zero effect on availability of care, or quality of care.

 

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It's the only argument I need, dude.

Disease doesn't care about the 10th Amendment.

Brain dead moron thinks centralized Government is the answer.

 

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It's the only argument I need, dude.

Disease doesn't care about the 10th Amendment.

You can't cure cancer with the Constitution.

The tenth amendment has nothing to do with health care because disease doesn't recognize state borders or governmental authority.

It's silly to think a piece of paper can cure cancer.

Moron eruption in progress.....thar she blows!!!

 

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Single payer.

Having one entity reimburse all providers gives it the sole bargaining power to negotiate for lower fees while also eliminating the costly overhead and administration costs associated with for-profit administrators.

Making that change to the back-end of the process has zero effect on availability of care, or quality of care.

Single payer is the dumbest solution to anything. It only leads to higher costs, shortages, longer wait times, limited specialization and worst of all, no research or development.

But alas, with an IQ below room temp, it is impossible for you to comprehend the OBVIOUS.

 

[Ross Dolan]

And the "SOLUTION" according to Frankie is?????

The "solution" according to me is...

...to let people who truly know what they are doing make recommendations...

...and then let the Congress act on those recommendations.

What I would love, but do not have the resources to do a cost analysis on, is:

The government totally finances education for physicians, nurses, and other healthcare providers on a scale close to how the government finances education for military officers in the Military Academies. Actually pay students to attend classes and pay for all their tuition and room and board...and then require a period of service (at a very good wage) doing national healthcare.

I'm not in love with the government taking over the entirety of healthcare...BUT I would love to see the government as a very tough competitor in the marketplace...both with service providers and facilities.

In any case, the experts will come up with "solutions"...not people who inhabit places like this, Robo. People who shoot their mouths off in Internet fora are just barely more competent at problem solving than Donald Trump...admittedly, not a particularly high bar.

 

[Robo]

Funny how reds have crafted an alternate reality and worship it like a religion.

Such as?????

The endlessly climbing cost of healthcare has been identified as a serious problem for many decades.

I agree!!! The endless climbing cost began on steroids when the federal government began meddling in healthcare.

That is one reason FDR started programs to help .

FDR had no constitutional authority to begin a single welfare program and he never offered a single constitutional amendment to get such authorization. He tried to stack the Court and make it a dozen judges so he could put his cronies in the Court to help him go around the Constitution. When that failed he managed to pervert the Congress with his sugary bullshit that started the unconstitutional New Deal And he became the father of America’s socialism.

We spend double what other countries do and get worse care.

That’s pure bullshit! America’s healthcare, doctors, nurses, hospitals and medical technology has no equal on planet earth. It’s medical insurance system is the train wreck caused by the federal government.

There are many millions of Americans without health coverage.

Nobody in America goes without “HEALTHCARE!!!!!” Every American gets healthcare and so do illegal aliens. If somebody in America isn’t able to get healthcare, it’s their own bleeping fault. All they have to do is go to a hospital emergency room.

Presidential campaigns have been arguing over the cost and the fact that it eats such a huge part of the GDP. it is a constant theme of debate in our politics. It will take someone with guts to try and fix our system and face the incredible lobbying and financial power of the healthcare interests.

The only guts it would take to fix America’s health “INSURANCE” train wreck is to send politicians to Washington that understand the corrupt BIG federal government health insurance disaster and legislate the federal withdraw from the health insurance business where they have no expertise and no constitutional authority, but do have a trainload of incompetence, and restore the money the feds waste on health insurance back to the states and thereby allow the states to develop their own health insurance systems and learn one from the other what works best. That of course would include Single Payer should a state or states develop such program-s.

It has to be done and it will not be done by Trump. He can afford healthcare. He does not care about your problems.

It won’t be done by anybody because America is addicted to BIG FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

Universal healthcare would loosen mega billions of dollars to pay off our debt, or build a modern infrastructure.

If you’re so sure about Single Payer, why would you oppose it being instituted by a state or states without the feds involvement?

Right now there is a lawsuit going on saying the Wealthy family that owns most of the opioid manufacturing and distribution is America was encouraging doctors to hook people. Then ,once they had millions hooked, they were investing in opioid treatment facilities.

Is that just another one of your unfounded accusations, or do you actually have some evidence of that? Name names and present your evidence please!!!

 

[Robo]

Because cancer doesn't recognize state borders.

And you refuse to understand that the healthcare issue isn't about cancer treatment but rather how the treatment gets paid for. Your babble has no relevancy to the issue of health "INSURANCE" friend,! Think!!!!!

 

[LV426]

And you refuse to understand that the healthcare issue isn't about cancer treatment but rather how the treatment gets paid for.

Exactly. How treatment is paid for after you receive it.

Having one entity do that administration is more cost-effective, and it allows that single entity to use its leverage to bargain for cheaper fees and drugs.

Changing who reimburses your doctor after you receive care has nothing to do with the care you doctor gives you.

That's the whole point.

Duh.

 

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Exactly. How treatment is paid for after you receive it.

Having one entity do that administration is more cost-effective, and it allows that single entity to use its leverage to bargain for cheaper fees and drugs.

Changing who reimburses your doctor after you receive care has nothing to do with the care you doctor gives you.

That's the whole point.

Duh.

Clueless moron thinks Government is more efficient.

 

[LV426]

Your babble has no relevancy to the issue of health "INSURANCE" friend,! Think!!!!!

Single payer is entirely about health insurance, doofus.

All a single payer does is create a single entity, not run for profit, that administers payments to your doctor after you receive care.

It's a part of the process you aren't involved in as a patient, and has nothing to do with access or quality.

It makes no difference to you who reimburses your provider. None. Zero. Zilch.

There is not one single reason you can give for how the for-profit administration of reimbursement to your provider improves or enhances the care your provider gives you.

 

[Robo]

It's the only argument I need, dude.

Disease doesn't care about the 10th Amendment.

But paying for the treatments for disease, "INSURANCE" are authorized to the states and or the people according to the 10th amendment, and NO federal meddling needed or authorized or allowed is the relevant issue that seems beyond you.

 

[LV426]

But paying for the treatments for disease, "INSURANCE" are authorized to the states and or the people according to the 10th amendment, and NO federal meddling needed or authorized or allowed is the relevant issue that seems beyond you.

OK, so now that you've recognized that disease doesn't care about state borders, you're halfway there.

So since disease doesn't care about state borders, why should there not be a national, single payer pool that administers reimbursements for those diseases that is portable across all state borders like Medicare for everyone?

 

[LV426]

"INSURANCE" are authorized to the states and or the people according to the 10th amendment

The 10th Amendment says nothing about insurance.

If disease doesn't recognize state borders, then neither should the administration of reimbursements to treat and/or cure those diseases.

Also, what benefit to you as a patient is there for tying a profit motive to that administration? Can you think of one?

 

[Sirthinksalot]

How about we simply follow amendment 10?????

Works for me. I was just pointing out Desh's stupidity and inability to stay on topic.

 

[LV426]

NO federal meddling needed or authorized or allowed is the relevant issue that seems beyond you.

This is so dumb for so many reasons.

"Yes, I admit that disease doesn't recognize state borders, but we must maintain a private insurance system at the state level because...10th Amendment".

Not a very compelling argument.