Suicide and Trumpism

[cawacko]

Cawacko, just one post ago:



Cognitive dissonance.

You said it was the sole reason. Playing a role doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason or even close to being the sole reason. It’s simple understanding of the subject which is something you lack

 

[Getin the ring]

Did someone see where the suicide and trumpism thread went, I can't seem to find it.

 

[LV426]

You said it was the sole reason. Playing a role doesn’t mean it’s the sole reason or even close to being the sole reason. It’s simple understanding of the subject which is something you lack

It is the sole reason, and no amount of word salad will change that.

Prop 13 killed affordable housing construction. That's a fact.

 

[Getin the ring]

It is the sole reason, and no amount of word salad will change that.

Prop 13 killed affordable housing construction. That's a fact.

sooooo, do people kill themselves because of prop 13? I'm confused

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

Easy, In urban areas you build higher density. And you build higher density near public transportation. Yet SF is largely single family housing and people here fight to keep that. Then what happens? We build further and further out in the suburbs. People have longer commutes, worse for the environment, farther from the job centers etc. etc.

Wouldn't it be smarter to build housing near employment, recreation and shopping?

And then have mass transit to efficiently move large numbers of people around?

I still believe we should cap the world's population by limiting birth.

If we don't, and we allow sprawl to go unchecked, Single Family Homes will become a luxury as the rank and file are crammed into sardine-like cookie cutter clone/borg infestations.

It's not like we can eminent domain expensive SFHs and expect people to be happy in condo living where you hear your neighbor's argument, them having sex, and smell what kind of fish they are cooking.

Some may be happy in pigeonholes but most want wide open spaces.

 

[cawacko]

It is the sole reason, and no amount of word salad will change that.

Prop 13 killed affordable housing construction. That's a fact.

Nope. You’re wrong. High land costs, high construction costs and large amounts of regulations kill affordable housing in California. It doesn’t pencil to build unless the government heavily subsidizes you. Those are the facts.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Wouldn't it be smarter to build housing near employment, recreation and shopping?

And then have mass transit to efficiently move large numbers of people around?

I still believe we should cap the world's population by limiting birth.

If we don't, and we allow sprawl to go unchecked, Single Family Homes will become a luxury as the rank and file are crammed into sardine-like cookie cutter clone/borg infestations.

It's not like we can eminent domain expensive SFHs and expect people to be happy in condo living where you hear your neighbor's argument, them having sex, and smell what kind of fish they are cooking.

Some may be happy in pigeonholes but most want wide open spaces.

If you want wide open land and big yards go to the suburbs. Cities are meant to be dense and should have good (public but doesn’t have to be) transit for folks to get around.

 

[Troll]

Take a look at these two blocks of statistics:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

What's remarkable is how strongly correlated suicide rates are with Trump approval rates, at the state level. Specifically, there's a 58.4% positive correlation. Basically, the more suicidally depressed people are in a state, the more likely people in the state are to approve of Trump.

This is particularly interesting because it flies in the face of the normal trend for higher-latitude populations to have higher suicide rates (likely owing to circadian rhythm problems in places where there are huge imbalances between night and day in the Summer and Winter months, resulting in sleep irregularities and depression). Other things being equal, you'd expect lower suicide rates in the Deep South than in New England, just as you find lower suicide rates in southern European countries (Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal) than northern ones (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland).

So, what's the reason for this correlation? Is there something about conservative politics that makes people suicidal (e.g., skimping on public assistance for mental health care)? Or something about being suicidal that makes people conservative (e.g., the attraction of hateful rhetoric to those who are emotionally frayed)? Or something separate that drives both things (e.g., a sense of being left behind, economically)? Why is it that there's such an enormous gap in suicide rates between places like NJ, NY, and MA (around 8/100k), and places like Montana, Alaska, and Wyoming (around 25/100k)?

Economics. Income. Wealth.

 

[Getin the ring]

Hello cawacko,



Wouldn't it be smarter to build housing near employment, recreation and shopping?

why are you posting in our threads?

aren't you the nut-bag that starts threads and bans all members that may offer debate of rebuttal.
Yea, that's you, I'm sure of it

take a hike

 

[Micawber]

Take a look at these two blocks of statistics:

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/population-health/us-states-ranked-by-suicide-rate.html
https://morningconsult.com/tracking-trump/

What's remarkable is how strongly correlated suicide rates are with Trump approval rates, at the state level. Specifically, there's a 58.4% positive correlation. Basically, the more suicidally depressed people are in a state, the more likely people in the state are to approve of Trump.

This is particularly interesting because it flies in the face of the normal trend for higher-latitude populations to have higher suicide rates (likely owing to circadian rhythm problems in places where there are huge imbalances between night and day in the Summer and Winter months, resulting in sleep irregularities and depression). Other things being equal, you'd expect lower suicide rates in the Deep South than in New England, just as you find lower suicide rates in southern European countries (Spain, Italy, Greece, Portugal) than northern ones (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland).

So, what's the reason for this correlation? Is there something about conservative politics that makes people suicidal (e.g., skimping on public assistance for mental health care)? Or something about being suicidal that makes people conservative (e.g., the attraction of hateful rhetoric to those who are emotionally frayed)? Or something separate that drives both things (e.g., a sense of being left behind, economically)? Why is it that there's such an enormous gap in suicide rates between places like NJ, NY, and MA (around 8/100k), and places like Montana, Alaska, and Wyoming (around 25/100k)?

How can you blame them. They must envy the dead at this point.

 

[Getin the ring]

WINNING #MAGA

 

[LV426]

High land costs, high construction costs and large amounts of regulations kill affordable housing in California.

So the high land and construction costs tie into Prop 13, dude. That's what's the connective tissue. I took you through this before, and you decided you didn't want to discuss it because you used a red herring (that I got it from Twitter). Chump move.

It doesn’t pencil to build unless the government heavily subsidizes you. Those are the facts.

Right, and why would they have to subsidize it? Because of Prop 13 making it unaffordable to construct the housing.

 

[PoliTalker]

If you want wide open land and big yards go to the suburbs. Cities are meant to be dense and should have good (public but doesn’t have to be) transit for folks to get around.

Public transportation should zero fee for users, paid for by taxing the rich.

Make life easier, more enjoyable, and fewer Trump supporters would be killing themselves.

 

[Getin the ring]

are people killing themselves over Prop 13? we're still in the suicide thread


I personally think the suicide rate is so high because liberals in general are snowflakes, dealing with your problems is not what they do best.

as far as our military personnel , this is just sad, and I say spare no resource to get them help

Public transportation should zero fee for users, paid for by taxing the rich.

what an asinine thing to say, like a child stomping his feet... whaaaaa, make the rich pay for me...whaaaaa
I thought we told you to take a hike, start your own thread, and ban us all

 

[cawacko]

Public transportation should zero fee for users, paid for by taxing the rich.

Make life easier, more enjoyable, and fewer Trump supporters would be killing themselves.

The rich already subsidize urban transportation. But that’s not the issue

 

[Superfreak]

It could.

Yes christie, there will be days when it is cloudy, less sun and cold. But cold does not MEAN it WILL be as she implied. You can also have a bright sun shiny day with no clouds and still have temps sub zero.

 

[cawacko]

So the high land and construction costs tie into Prop 13, dude. That's what's the connective tissue. I took you through this before, and you decided you didn't want to discuss it because you used a red herring (that I got it from Twitter). Chump move.

Construction costs have absolutely nothing to do with Prop 13. The punitive regulations that greatly increase costs have nothing to do with Prop 13. Land is land. Because of regulation what can be built on is limited which increases the cost. Those issues are all separate of Prop 13.

 

[LV426]

Construction costs have absolutely nothing to do with Prop 13. The punitive regulations that greatly increase costs have nothing to do with Prop 13. Land is land. Because of regulation what can be built on is limited which increases the cost. Those issues are all separate of Prop 13.

But they are only issues because of Prop 13.

So you're trying to say the symptoms are the illness.

You're not a big picture kind of guy because you're lazy as fuck.

 

[cawacko]

But they are only issues because of Prop 13.

So you're trying to say the symptoms are the illness.

You're not a big picture kind of guy because you're lazy as fuck.

Your ignorance once again resorts to name calling.

 

[LV426]

Your ignorance once again resorts to name calling.

Your problem is that you can't see the forest for the trees; whether that's an active choice is what I'm unsure about.