Suicide and Trumpism

[cawacko]

Your problem is that you can't see the forest for the trees; whether that's an active choice is what I'm unsure about.

Have lived in California for 35 years, worked in real estate for over 20 but I have no clue on this issue. You’re right.

But a guy who doesn’t work in real estate and spent a few years in LA knows how the market works here. Sure

 

[evince]

Your problem is that you can't see the forest for the trees; whether that's an active choice is what I'm unsure about.

I think hes a fake


he is here all the time


he refuses facts all day long


he has done it for over a decade now that I have known him

 

[LV426]

Have lived in California for 35 years, worked in real estate for over 20 but I have no clue on this issue. You’re right.

Whatever you say.

But a guy who doesn’t work in real estate and spent a few years in LA knows how the market works here. Sure

This isn't about "the market", this is about legislation passed 40 years ago that cripples efforts to build affordable housing today for exactly the points I raised that you chose to ignore because I didn't cite they came from Twitter first. So you searched out a red herring to avoid reconciling the facts.

You do that a lot, by the way. It's kinda your thing. That, and lying by omission.

 

[LV426]

I think hes a fake
he is here all the time
he refuses facts all day long
he has done it for over a decade now that I have known him

The "take my word for it" approach doesn't fly with me.

Anyone who reads my posts knows that.

 

[evince]

yes

its crazy to think that these posters have displayed the kind of integrity that makes their WORD mean something

 

[cawacko]

Whatever you say.




This isn't about "the market", this is about legislation passed 40 years ago that cripples efforts to build affordable housing today for exactly the points I raised that you chose to ignore because I didn't cite they came from Twitter first. So you searched out a red herring to avoid reconciling the facts.

You do that a lot, by the way. It's kinda your thing. That, and lying by omission.

You posted an opinion from someone on Twitter. Bravo. You’ve already shown you dismiss info/facts you don’t like on multiple subjects. Do some research on the subject. Read work put out by the Haas School at Cal. Plenty of info out there.

 

[LV426]

yes

its crazy to think that these posters have displayed the kind of integrity that makes their WORD mean something

Exactly. Anyone in this game long enough knows unsolicited anecdotes are usually bullshit.

Prop 13 capped property taxes so low that it made it impossible for local governments to find the funding for affordable housing. It also strained revenues so much that municipalities had to institute things like regressive sales taxes, or increase building/zoning fees because of no revenue. A business buys a plot of land in the 1970's, builds on it, and pays the same taxes they paid 40 years ago. That starves the Treasury of revenue which should be used to build new affordable housing since developers won't because it's a losing proposition.

 

[LV426]

You posted an opinion from someone on Twitter.

An opinion you have yet to argue against.

In fact, you avoided it outright because you didn't want to admit you're full of shit.

What a chump.

 

[cawacko]

An opinion you have yet to argue against.

In fact, you avoided it outright because you didn't want to admit you're full of shit.

What a chump.

Once again name calling, that’s all you’ve got.

 

[LV426]

You’ve already shown you dismiss info/facts you don’t like on multiple subjects.

Not at all. I answer virtually everything you post at me, whereas you whine, bitch, and moan that I'm being mean to you while I do it.

So you play the victim card so you don't have to reconcile your beliefs with reality.

Prop 13 capped property taxes, and that starved the state and local governments of revenue needed to build affordable housing. All the fees and costs you're talking about are byproducts of that as municipalities try to raise revenue to make up for the gap in property taxes...thanks solely to Prop 13.

Don't tell me to "do research". I have researched it. Stop Dunning-Krugering your way through this debate...it's embarrassing.

 

[LV426]

Once again name calling, that’s all you’ve got.

Red herring!

Fact is, because Prop 13 capped property taxes, there was no incentive for businesses to free up space for housing. They became, in effect, squatters on the land because of the low tax rate. So because of the lower revenue, governments (state and local) had to raise regressive fees, increase building/zoning fees, in an effort to recapture the revenue they lost on property taxes.

All of the regulations and what not would have happened regardless of Prop 13's passage.

 

[evince]

I used to call wack Divertabot


its the main stay of any "debate" he tries to make

 

[Superfreak]

I used to call wack Divertabot


its the main stay of any "debate" he tries to make

Whereas you simply run around tossing out words you don't understand, links to stories you don't read and/or comprehend, scream 'FACTS' a lot when it is simply opinion, refuse to discuss most topics in your own words, constantly derail threads with other topics or your moronic obsession with calling everyone who disagrees with you a Russian bot. On top of all that you seem quite fixated on the sucking of Putin's cock.

 

[cawacko]

Not at all. I answer virtually everything you post at me, whereas you whine, bitch, and moan that I'm being mean to you while I do it.

So you play the victim card so you don't have to reconcile your beliefs with reality.

Prop 13 capped property taxes, and that starved the state and local governments of revenue needed to build affordable housing. All the fees and costs you're talking about are byproducts of that as municipalities try to raise revenue to make up for the gap in property taxes...thanks solely to Prop 13.

Don't tell me to "do research". I have researched it. Stop Dunning-Krugering your way through this debate...it's embarrassing.

Starved the government of funds to build affordable housing? Where exactly do you think we live? In some communist country? You think the government builds all the housing in our country?

Yeah, it’s best if you keep on cussing at people

 

[LV426]

Starved the government of funds to build affordable housing? Where exactly do you think we live? In some communist country? You think the government builds all the housing in our country?

So the guy you support for President, Howard Shultz, literally grew up in the projects. And what were "the projects"? Government-funded (and in my cases, government-built) affordable housing. How do you think that was paid for? I'll tell you how, with high marginal tax rates of 70-94% on the top bracket.

::mic drop::

 

[cawacko]

So the guy you support for President, Howard Shultz, literally grew up in the projects. And what were "the projects"? Government-funded (and in my cases, government-built) housing. How do you think that was paid for? I'll tell you how, with high marginal tax rates of 70-94% on the top bracket.

The guy I support for President? You just lie like it’s second nature don’t you?

Who’s talking about government housing? Do you even know what you’re discussing?

 

[LV426]

The guy I support for President? You just lie like it’s second nature don’t you

Fine.

So Howard Shultz, the guy you might not support for President, grew up in the projects along with millions of other Americans. And what were the projects? Government-funded affordable housing, constructed in many cases by the government.

So we've done it before. Calm your tits.

Who’s talking about government housing? Do you even know what you’re discussing?

The projects were affordable housing. Constructed with taxpayer money, to provide affordable housing for Americans.

Try to follow the thread, cawacko.

I said that Prop 13 killed any way for the government to fund the construction of affordable housing because of the lack of revenue from property taxes. Because that is the primary revenue source for most local governments, they had to make up that revenue gap by raising fees on things like zoning and construction, and implementing regressive sales taxes that ding the middle class. So by capping property taxes, the incentive for a firm to relocate their offices to a new location was diminished, and because of Prop 13 any new housing was faced with those burdensome fees and costs you were alluding to earlier. That's why those fees are so high; there's a revenue gap that comes from the loss of property tax revenue for (mostly) corporations and legacy families squatting on land since the 1970's and paying 1970's taxes on it.

This isn't that hard to grasp.

 

[cawacko]

Fine.

So Howard Shultz, the guy you might not support for President, grew up in the projects along with millions of other Americans. And what were the projects? Government-funded affordable housing, constructed in many cases by the government.

So we've done it before. Calm your tits.




The projects were affordable housing. Constructed with taxpayer money, to provide affordable housing for Americans.

Try to follow the thread, cawacko.

I said that Prop 13 killed any way for the government to fund the construction of affordable housing because of the lack of revenue from property taxes. Because that is the primary revenue source for most local governments, they had to make up that revenue gap by raising fees on things like zoning and construction, and implementing regressive sales taxes that ding the middle class. So by capping property taxes, the incentive for a firm to relocate their offices to a new location was diminished, and because of Prop 13 any new housing was faced with those burdensome fees and costs you were alluding to earlier. That's why those fees are so high; there's a revenue gap that comes from the loss of property tax revenue for (mostly) corporations and legacy families squatting on land since the 1970's and paying 1970's taxes on it.

This isn't that hard to grasp.

How about take your own advice and follow the thread. It’s about Onelli’s claim for why housing costs so much in California. I answered and you go off in some tangent about government housing. What I was saying wasn’t hard to grasp

 

[cawacko]

Fine.

So Howard Shultz, the guy you might not support for President, grew up in the projects along with millions of other Americans. And what were the projects? Government-funded affordable housing, constructed in many cases by the government.

So we've done it before. Calm your tits.




The projects were affordable housing. Constructed with taxpayer money, to provide affordable housing for Americans.

Try to follow the thread, cawacko.

I said that Prop 13 killed any way for the government to fund the construction of affordable housing because of the lack of revenue from property taxes. Because that is the primary revenue source for most local governments, they had to make up that revenue gap by raising fees on things like zoning and construction, and implementing regressive sales taxes that ding the middle class. So by capping property taxes, the incentive for a firm to relocate their offices to a new location was diminished, and because of Prop 13 any new housing was faced with those burdensome fees and costs you were alluding to earlier. That's why those fees are so high; there's a revenue gap that comes from the loss of property tax revenue for (mostly) corporations and legacy families squatting on land since the 1970's and paying 1970's taxes on it.

This isn't that hard to grasp.

I notice too you ran from your trash talking on the Fed not hiking rates thread. Talked sh*t and wouldn’t back it up. Never a good thing young man.

 

[LV426]

How about take your own advice and follow the thread. It’s about Onelli’s claim for why housing costs so much in California. I answered and you go off in some tangent about government housing. What I was saying wasn’t hard to grasp

Because government housing is a part of the discussion of affordable housing since that's literally what the government funded projects throughout the 40's, 50's and 60's were.

Yeesh.

You want affordable housing in California? Repeal Prop 13 and use the revenues (mostly from corporations and rich people) from that repeal to finance the construction of new units for people to live in.

My God...it's like...you're actively trying to be obtuse.