Interesting, Trump says today's events prove "no collusion,"

a theme I see the nightly Fox demogogues are also pounding home.

Simple question, if Trump believes there is no collusion why does he find the need to tell everyone nearly daily that there was no collusion? If you know you are innocent of a charge, why the compulsion to repeat as often as you can to anyone who will listen that you are innocent?


“It would not be impossible to prove with sufficient repetition and a psychological understanding of the people concerned that a square is in fact a circle. They are mere words, and words can be molded until they clothe ideas and disguise.”
Joseph Goebbels
 
But we can prosecute them. It seems you now agree with me.

Where can I find this information? I prefer to read the actual court documents so give me case details.

Hacking of emails is a crime. It is investigated as a crime. It has nothing to do with intelligence gathering. Foreign interference in US campaigns is a crime. It is investigated as a crime.
We have an SP because the case involves possible illegal actions by a current President and his campaign.

I never actually disagreed because I was speaking from a practical standpoint on prosecuting Russians: It’s rather pointless.

Regarding the hacked/leaked emails: for months myself and others have been calling for Mullet to interview the one person who doesn’t have to rely on intelligence to settle the issue of who stole the emails.

Assange. Instead of wasting time with two-bit provocateurs like Corsi, why doesn’t Mullet interview Assange? Isn’t he witness #1 and criminal #1?

If Mullet is really interested in doing honest criminal investigation/counterintelligence work, he seems just a tad obsessed with the Trump-only-angle.

Why is that?

Finally, last I heard Mullet wasn’t getting anywhere in court with the one indicted Russian who showed up. One gets the idea Mullet never expected any of them to show up lol.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Read this statute and get back with us:

18 U.S. Code § 2381

Collusion—if you want to use the term in a legal sense, only applies in antitrust law.
Because the media and the general public use a term that doesn't apply doesn't mean there is no crime of conspiracy. Nor does it invalidate the law that prevents foreigners from contributing to campaigns.

Synergy with Russians isn’t a crime, either. Campaign law would only come into play if Russians made a donation. It’s actually legal within campaign law for a foreign agent to freely donate their time to a campaign.
There is no restriction on foreign nationals working on campaigns however, allowing a foreign agent to do so with knowledge they are a foreign agent would seem unwise under most circumstances.

They can even donate information since campaign laws don’t consider information to be ‘things of value’.
The law says no such thing. The definition of "contribution" specifically states "anything of value." 52 U.S. Code § 30101 It does not state anywhere that information has no value. The courts are full of cases where information has value. Cohen paid a rather large sum of money for the rights to information about Trump having had an affair. Not all information has value but you can't claim information has no value.

So even if the Russian lawyer in the Trump Tower meeting handed Junior an envelope with Hillary’s emails in it, it’s only a crime if Junior *conspired* with the Russians to hack into her computer. That’s the bar Mullet needs to clear and don’t let the Fake Newsers tell you differently.
You are wrong because clearly the information has value and as such would be a violation of
52 U.S. Code § 30121 which prohibits foreign nationals from donating anything of value.

Simply making the content of the emails public knowledge [actually, a public service in this instance lol] isn’t a crime because journalists publish illegally acquired information in the form of leaks PRACTICALLY DAILY.
Journalists have a constitutional protection that isn't there for others. It would all come down to the intent of who is doing the publication. If their intent is not simply to inform the public but to do harm in some way then they could be an accessory to the crime. Proving intent is a high hurdle but if someone isn't a journalist, they would have some legal risk with such a publication.

And if they want to open that can of worms just get at Trump, they should be prepared to make the jails bigger.

Because they are going to need the space.
Crimes are crimes. Your attempt to claim something isn't a crime by lying about what is in a law doesn't make something not a crime.
 
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I never actually disagreed because I was speaking from a practical standpoint on prosecuting Russians: It’s rather pointless.
Indicting them is hardly pointless. It gives a clear message we know what they did. It then restricts that individual from travel because they would be arrested if they visited any country that extradites to the US. It also allows the US to put sanctions on the individual and others around them. It is far from pointless.

Regarding the hacked/leaked emails: for months myself and others have been calling for Mullet to interview the one person who doesn’t have to rely on intelligence to settle the issue of who stole the emails.
When you can't even ask the correct person, don't expect an answer. I am curious who you think that one person is? Do you understand how emails are stolen? I would hazard a guess, you don't. The only person that can settle such an issue is the person that stole them. They are Russian and have been indicted. But so much for "pointless".

Assange. Instead of wasting time with two-bit provocateurs like Corsi, why doesn’t Mullet interview Assange? Isn’t he witness #1 and criminal #1?
Really? Did Assange steal the emails? You do realize that Assange is in the Ecuadoran embassy in order to avoid any and all meetings with the FBI, don't you?

If Mullet is really interested in doing honest criminal investigation/counterintelligence work, he seems just a tad obsessed with the Trump-only-angle.
How quickly you forget about the Russians. Unless you are saying Trump conspired with the Russian because that is the only way it would be a "Trump-only-angle."

Why is that?

Finally, last I heard Mullet wasn’t getting anywhere in court with the one indicted Russian who showed up. One gets the idea Mullet never expected any of them to show up lol.

Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
The last you heard? Oh, you are referring to fake news reports. I get it now.

In real news, the courts have twice ruled against the company's argument that the case should be dismissed. The latest ruling was Nov 15. The company is appealing. It seems Mueller is getting somewhere, he has 2 favorable court rulings allowing him to move forward.
You may recall Manafort tried twice to get his case dismissed using similar arguments and we all know what happened to him. I assume even you have seen news reports that he is going to jail.
 
Because the media and the general public use a term that doesn't apply doesn't mean there is no crime of conspiracy. Nor does it invalidate the law that prevents foreigners from contributing to campaigns.

There is no restriction on foreign nationals working on campaigns however, allowing a foreign agent to do so with knowledge they are a foreign agent would seem unwise under most circumstances.

The law says no such thing. The definition of "contribution" specifically states "anything of value." 52 U.S. Code § 30101 It does not state anywhere that information has no value. The courts are full of cases where information has value. Cohen paid a rather large sum of money for the rights to information about Trump having had an affair. Not all information has value but you can't claim information has no value.

You are wrong because clearly the information has value and as such would be a violation of
52 U.S. Code § 30121 which prohibits foreign nationals from donating anything of value.

Journalists have a constitutional protection that isn't there for others. It would all come down to the intent of who is doing the publication. If their intent is not simply to inform the public but to do harm in some way then they could be an accessory to the crime. Proving intent is a high hurdle but if someone isn't a journalist, they would have some legal risk with such a publication.

Crimes are crimes. Your attempt to claim something isn't a crime by lying about what is in a law doesn't make something not a crime.

You’re simply wrong that information is considered ‘a thing of value’ under campaign laws.

Foreigners are permitted to sit in on campaign meetings, for example. Every time they open their mouths to speak they would contribute ‘a thing of value’ to the campaign if the candidate deemed it to be ‘valuable’ advice. It’s nonsensical and it would open a horrendous can of worms if the legal precedent were ever established.

Regarding the ‘what if’ the Russian lawyer gave the stolen emails to Junior: now that I think about it they could get him for receiving stolen property. But that is not collusion and it almost certainly didn’t happen, anyway.
 
Indicting them is hardly pointless. It gives a clear message we know what they did. It then restricts that individual from travel because they would be arrested if they visited any country that extradites to the US. It also allows the US to put sanctions on the individual and others around them. It is far from pointless.

When you can't even ask the correct person, don't expect an answer. I am curious who you think that one person is? Do you understand how emails are stolen? I would hazard a guess, you don't. The only person that can settle such an issue is the person that stole them. They are Russian and have been indicted. But so much for "pointless".

Really? Did Assange steal the emails? You do realize that Assange is in the Ecuadoran embassy in order to avoid any and all meetings with the FBI, don't you?

How quickly you forget about the Russians. Unless you are saying Trump conspired with the Russian because that is the only way it would be a "Trump-only-angle."

The last you heard? Oh, you are referring to fake news reports. I get it now.

In real news, the courts have twice ruled against the company's argument that the case should be dismissed. The latest ruling was Nov 15. The company is appealing. It seems Mueller is getting somewhere, he has 2 favorable court rulings allowing him to move forward.
You may recall Manafort tried twice to get his case dismissed using similar arguments and we all know what happened to him. I assume even you have seen news reports that he is going to jail.

I’m waiting to see if Mullet goes through discovery or drops the indictments to keep from it.

Regarding Assange: I don’t follow your reasoning though I get the idea you just don’t want to talk about it. The emails went through Wiki Leaks. I assume Assange knows how he got them lol.

The Russian influence on the election is supposed to be an earth-stopping big deal, right? Assange is sitting there in London with nothing to do—and he is the one person *who knows* who hacked the DNC server and who didn’t.

But Mullet won’t go interview him [hint: the FBI can’t touch Assange unless he leaves the embassy] even though there’s no reason he shouldn’t and every reason he should.

Wait a minute. Assange claims the emails were leaked and not hacked. And if that turns out to be true, the whole Russian conspiracy comes apart at the seams.

That’s it, ain’t it. No wonder Mullet won’t interview him.
 
Watergate journalist Bernstein hit the nail on the head, Trump is CORNERED for the first time in his life, gonna get even more interesting here on out

If anyone knows the warning signs of a presidential implosion, it’s Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein, and the legendary reporter has an ominous assessment of recent developments in Donald Trump’s embattled presidency.

On Sunday morning’s edition of CNN’s Reliable Sources, host Brian Stelter asked Bernstein to weigh in on the recent development that federal prosecutors now believe Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit felonies by paying off porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

Stelter asked if Bernstein agrees with Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) that the offenses are impeachable.

“It certainly looks like they are the kind of offenses that would call for impeachment hearings into the conduct of the president of the United States,” Bernstein replied, but added that “There’s something much more important than just impeachment going on, and that is the fact that Donald Trump for the first time in his life is cornered.”

“As a businessman, he always could bully his way out of a corner,” Bernstein continued. “He always could buy his way out, cheat his way out. He is boxed in by Mueller, and the people around him know that he is.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/waterga...-life-trump-is-cornered-due-to-mueller-probe/


The web is closing, Trump. All your tweets are About You. You care nothing for others, Trump. They are Coming To Take You Away.
 
Watergate journalist Bernstein hit the nail on the head, Trump is CORNERED for the first time in his life, gonna get even more interesting here on out

If anyone knows the warning signs of a presidential implosion, it’s Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein, and the legendary reporter has an ominous assessment of recent developments in Donald Trump’s embattled presidency.

On Sunday morning’s edition of CNN’s Reliable Sources, host Brian Stelter asked Bernstein to weigh in on the recent development that federal prosecutors now believe Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit felonies by paying off porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

Stelter asked if Bernstein agrees with Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) that the offenses are impeachable.

“It certainly looks like they are the kind of offenses that would call for impeachment hearings into the conduct of the president of the United States,” Bernstein replied, but added that “There’s something much more important than just impeachment going on, and that is the fact that Donald Trump for the first time in his life is cornered.”

“As a businessman, he always could bully his way out of a corner,” Bernstein continued. “He always could buy his way out, cheat his way out. He is boxed in by Mueller, and the people around him know that he is.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/waterga...-life-trump-is-cornered-due-to-mueller-probe/


The web is closing, Trump. All your tweets are About You. You care nothing for others, Trump. They are Coming To Take You Away.

He should be sentenced to the bottom end of repeated face sittings with Rosie O'donnell on top, publicly.
 
Watergate journalist Bernstein hit the nail on the head, Trump is CORNERED for the first time in his life, gonna get even more interesting here on out

If anyone knows the warning signs of a presidential implosion, it’s Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein, and the legendary reporter has an ominous assessment of recent developments in Donald Trump’s embattled presidency.

On Sunday morning’s edition of CNN’s Reliable Sources, host Brian Stelter asked Bernstein to weigh in on the recent development that federal prosecutors now believe Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit felonies by paying off porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

Stelter asked if Bernstein agrees with Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY) that the offenses are impeachable.

“It certainly looks like they are the kind of offenses that would call for impeachment hearings into the conduct of the president of the United States,” Bernstein replied, but added that “There’s something much more important than just impeachment going on, and that is the fact that Donald Trump for the first time in his life is cornered.”

“As a businessman, he always could bully his way out of a corner,” Bernstein continued. “He always could buy his way out, cheat his way out. He is boxed in by Mueller, and the people around him know that he is.”

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/waterga...-life-trump-is-cornered-due-to-mueller-probe/


The web is closing, Trump. All your tweets are About You. You care nothing for others, Trump. They are Coming To Take You Away.

So Bernstein thinks this is it, finally?
 
I’m waiting to see if Mullet goes through discovery or drops the indictments to keep from it.
The simple fact that the Mueller team has already argued twice in court to allow the prosecution to go forward and won would point to them moving forward. It is actually the Russian company that is trying to stop the prosecution and prevent discovery.

Regarding Assange: I don’t follow your reasoning though I get the idea you just don’t want to talk about it. The emails went through Wiki Leaks. I assume Assange knows how he got them lol.
Assange knowing how he got the emails may shed no light on who stole them. Your assumption he would know is asinine. "Hi, we are a 400 lb guy in our mom's basement in NJ and we stole these."

The Russian influence on the election is supposed to be an earth-stopping big deal, right? Assange is sitting there in London with nothing to do—and he is the one person *who knows* who hacked the DNC server and who didn’t.
Assange only knows how he got the emails. They could have been sent to him anonymously. Any claim on your part that he knows the person who hacked the DNC server is ridiculous.

But Mullet won’t go interview him [hint: the FBI can’t touch Assange unless he leaves the embassy] even though there’s no reason he shouldn’t and every reason he should.
You know Mueller hasn't tried to interview him how?

Wait a minute. Assange claims the emails were leaked and not hacked. And if that turns out to be true, the whole Russian conspiracy comes apart at the seams.
Wait a minute, we have evidence presented to a court that the Russians hacked it. We have testimony to Congress that the Russian hacked it. We have statements by cyber professionals that the Russians hacked it. But somehow you want to believe the one person that has a vested interest in lying about it?
That’s it, ain’t it. No wonder Mullet won’t interview him.
No one called Mullet is involved in this investigation. Your continued bastardization of his name only points to your inability to make a logical argument so you resort to name calling.
 
You’re simply wrong that information is considered ‘a thing of value’ under campaign laws.
No, I am not wrong.

Foreigners are permitted to sit in on campaign meetings, for example. Every time they open their mouths to speak they would contribute ‘a thing of value’ to the campaign if the candidate deemed it to be ‘valuable’ advice. It’s nonsensical and it would open a horrendous can of worms if the legal precedent were ever established.
Volunteering on a campaign requires you give your time vs just providing information. Showing up for one meeting is not volunteering. Any campaign that uses foreign nationals in leadership positions is asking to be defeated and would certainly raise ethical if not legal questions.

Regarding the ‘what if’ the Russian lawyer gave the stolen emails to Junior: now that I think about it they could get him for receiving stolen property. But that is not collusion and it almost certainly didn’t happen, anyway.
What you think has little to do with what the actual law is. You are certainly entitled to argue that information has no value but courts would disagree unless you can show it has no value. Anything that if used can sway an election has value. I am hardly saying this is a slam dunk case but there is certainly enough there for it to be prosecuted and move forward in a court of law.
 
The simple fact that the Mueller team has already argued twice in court to allow the prosecution to go forward and won would point to them moving forward. It is actually the Russian company that is trying to stop the prosecution and prevent discovery.

Assange knowing how he got the emails may shed no light on who stole them. Your assumption he would know is asinine. "Hi, we are a 400 lb guy in our mom's basement in NJ and we stole these."

Assange only knows how he got the emails. They could have been sent to him anonymously. Any claim on your part that he knows the person who hacked the DNC server is ridiculous.

You know Mueller hasn't tried to interview him how?

Wait a minute, we have evidence presented to a court that the Russians hacked it. We have testimony to Congress that the Russian hacked it. We have statements by cyber professionals that the Russians hacked it. But somehow you want to believe the one person that has a vested interest in lying about it?
No one called Mullet is involved in this investigation. Your continued bastardization of his name only points to your inability to make a logical argument so you resort to name calling.

Mullet is fair game for name calling. Besides, he’s fishy. The whole charade is fishy.

The Russians are entitled to discovery if they are going to be charged with a crime in court. If Team Mullet doesn’t hide behind the tired ‘protecting sources and methods’ I’ll be surprised. If they refuse to allow for discovery they will have to drop the charges—we’ll see how it goes.

Regarding Assange: if Assange claims Wiki got the data from a leak and not a hack, straight-up, he needs interviewed. You’re also confused about ‘not know’ vs ‘can’t know’. It’s absolutely possible [and very likely] Assange was in communication with whoever it was that transmitted the data that enlightened the world about democrat corruption during the Hillary campaign.

Suffice to say, Assange knows a thing or too—he HAS to, since Wiki Leaks was pivotal in the whole affair.

Do you have evidence that it was a hack and not a leak? Beyond appeals to authority?
 
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