You keep posting but say nothing and add nothing to the conversation. What is it you are trying to say other than nothing snowflake? You do that a lot. Post a lot of words lacking any point.
Polling Shows That On Health Costs, ObamaCare Was A Massive Failure
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You keep posting but say nothing and add nothing to the conversation. What is it you are trying to say other than nothing snowflake? You do that a lot. Post a lot of words lacking any point.
Um...why would soaring health care costs be identified as the top concern of the American people if the "Affordable" Care Act were lowering costs like it claimed it would rather than exploding them, exactly as conservatives (apparently the only people involved with any kind of basic economic literacy) said would happen from the beginning?
Duh.
Liberals; they really are THAT fucking dumb.
Liar; what is it about you idiots on the left and your propensity to spew nothing but lies? Fucking moron; what is he saying here:
Obama Promises To Lower Health Insurance Premiums by $2,500 Per Year
So let me understand this liberal math; so everyone is paying HIGHER costs except those who get care on the backs of taxpayers. SHUT UP!
What a stupid and moronic claim. It is obvious you don't know what you are talking about. Insurance companies INSURE by pooling costs. You have low use insured and high use insured. They also use their membership POWER to negotiate rates with the providers of health care.
Now, if you want to place all that into the hands of incompetent politicians and government bureaucrats who will lower costs by LIMITING care and having long wait times, then you will LOVE living in Kanukistan. You're a LIAR and a FOOL.
Wrong; you gave me a partisan blog attempting to make the moronic argument that Government managed systems are less costly. That is a LIE.
Yes, you are definitely wasting your time trying to lie and make the case for Government managed anything with me. I'm not a low IQ dupe like you who has been brain washed into thinking that becoming a ward of the State is an awesome idea.
As for "ands' and "buts"; that' coming from idiots like you who think living under the thumb of Government regulations is awesome.
Irony; a liar calling others liars. Not only are you a low IQ dullard, but also a thread trolling simpleton.
Let's look at some FACTS about the vaunted awesome Canadian system Montgomery loves so much and wants to make America just as shitty as his:
Canada's single-payer healthcare system forced over 1 million patients to wait for necessary medical treatments last year. That's an all-time record.
Those long wait times were more than just a nuisance; they cost patients $1.9 billion in lost wages, according to a new report by the Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based think-tank.
Lengthy treatment delays are the norm in Canada and other single-payer nations, which ration care to keep costs down. Yet more and more Democratic leaders are pushing for a single-payer system -- and more and more voters are clamoring for one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...e-waiting-for-medical-treatment/#1a02fb63e7d5
I am betting those moron propaganda blogs don't account for this cost do they?
MORE:
By his own admission, Sen. Sanders' "Medicare for All" bill is modeled on Canada's healthcare system. On a fact-finding trip to Canada last fall, Sanders praised the country for "guaranteeing health care to all people," noting that "there is so much to be learned" from the Canadian system.
The only thing Canadian patients are "guaranteed" is a spot on a waitlist. As the Fraser report notes, in 2017, more than 173,000 patients waited for an ophthalmology procedure. Another 91,000 lined up for some form of general surgery, while more than 40,000 waited for a urology procedure.
All told, nearly 3 percent of Canada's population was waiting for some kind of medical care at the end of last year.
Those delays were excruciatingly long. After receiving a referral from a general practitioner, the typical patient waited more than 21 weeks to receive treatment from a specialist. That was the longest average waiting period on record -- and more than double the median wait in 1993.
Canada's single-payer healthcare system forced over 1 million patients to wait for necessary medical treatments last year. That's an all-time record.
Those long wait times were more than just a nuisance; they cost patients $1.9 billion in lost wages, according to a new report by the Fraser Institute, a Vancouver-based think-tank.
Lengthy treatment delays are the norm in Canada and other single-payer nations, which ration care to keep costs down. Yet more and more Democratic leaders are pushing for a single-payer system -- and more and more voters are clamoring for one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...e-waiting-for-medical-treatment/#1a02fb63e7d5
I am betting those moron propaganda blogs don't account for this cost do they?
MORE:
By his own admission, Sen. Sanders' "Medicare for All" bill is modeled on Canada's healthcare system. On a fact-finding trip to Canada last fall, Sanders praised the country for "guaranteeing health care to all people," noting that "there is so much to be learned" from the Canadian system.
The only thing Canadian patients are "guaranteed" is a spot on a waitlist. As the Fraser report notes, in 2017, more than 173,000 patients waited for an ophthalmology procedure. Another 91,000 lined up for some form of general surgery, while more than 40,000 waited for a urology procedure.
All told, nearly 3 percent of Canada's population was waiting for some kind of medical care at the end of last year.
Those delays were excruciatingly long. After receiving a referral from a general practitioner, the typical patient waited more than 21 weeks to receive treatment from a specialist. That was the longest average waiting period on record -- and more than double the median wait in 1993.
Your inability to understand what I've said and what I've added is the issue. Try harder.
Nah. I'm considered charming. So, have you figured out how to solve the simple math problem I posed yet?
zappasguitar
Well-known member
You are aware that just saying things doesn't make them true, right? They actually need to match something in reality.
Step 1: Impose an illegal, trillion-dollar health care takeover designed to obliterate insurance companies and leave nothing standing but the nanny state to pick up the pieces.
Step 2: When the train wreck you created begins, blame everything on "not enough government."
Hence:
-you couldn't keep your doctor (happened before the GOP took over)
-skyrocketing costs (happened before the GOP took over)
-you couldn't keep your insurance (happened before the GOP took over)
-illegal immigrants got taxpayer-funded Obamacare coverage, just as conservatives were crucified for warning against (happened before the GOP took over)
-astronomical explosion of debt (happened before the GOP took over)
-Obamacare really did fund abortions, contrary to everything we were told (happened before the GOP took over)
...and on, and on.
Please stop lying about this.
ROFL!!
Even though I explained WHY certain things happened regarding the ACA, you immediately begin whining about how I'm saying things that aren't true.
Then you turn right around and do just what you told me not do do!
Here you are, saying things that aren't true:
Typical GOP hypocrisy.
montgomery
Verified User
I like your spirit! You're like a felled tree that is refusing to fall because it's entangled in the branches of the other trees. You're just different because you are entangled in the brainwashing to accept 'The American Way'.
Yes, the facts that can be ascertained on hundreds of websites that look at statistics are just partisan blog lies!
We're done.
I think only those who have an inability to comprehend what you are posting, think you are boring.
I haven't seen that; I see a boorish person prone to blathering and who has a misplaced high self opinion. You must arrive after everyone has passed out.
You don't come armed with facts; you came with propaganda and denial. Cry harder bitch.
zappasguitar
Well-known member
Would you take a source of mine seriously if it was a right wing blogger with ZERO experience in the particular industry we are debating? I doubt it. So stop the little bitch act.[/QUOTE]
I certainly called it when I said you'd NEVER accept the truths in the article I cited.
The article clearly spells out how the GOP controlled congress year after year attempted to derail the ACA, and yet you claim you can't see one thing they did.
There truly are none so blind as those who refuse to see.
Liberals want us to be like Canada?
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2017 Report
Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017
Waiting Your Turn: Wait Times for Health Care in Canada, 2017 Report
Waiting for treatment has become a defining characteristic of Canadian health care. In order to document the lengthy queues for visits to specialists and for diagnostic and surgical procedures in the country, the Fraser Institute has—for over two decades—surveyed specialist physicians across 12 specialties and 10 provinces.
https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2017