Did Ukraine want to be in NATO?
Kerch Strait Conflict
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Did Ukraine want to be in NATO?
You could also call him an international terrorist since he was an advocate for a global caliphate under Sharia law.
Bigdog
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Yes, complicated, ... and the alphabet soup doesn't help me any, lol.
It was a huge mistake for the Uke gov't to propose banning minority languages. It shoved the Crimeans into Vlad's circle, IMO.
Ukraine was supposed to stay neutral.
The Budapest Memorandum was a formal agreement to remove Ukrainian nukes in return for a guarantee
by various powers to keep Uk neutral and "respect it's territorial integrity".
I goes back further though to natural gas deals. Putin was going to forgive Uk. nat gas debts in return for
Uk joining Russia Eurasian community ( Customs Union).
I mean this is REALLY complicated and it goes back as Ukraine kept electing pro-Russian or pro-European leaders who flipped the previous understandings
-but it all blew up by the Euromaidan.
start there to figure out how we got here
they banned Russian?
I don't recall that. I do know Russian and native Uk. languages are both common in the east - road signs in both languages
reagansghost
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* what's this all about? RT says it's about Ukraine not following notification procedure. thoughts? *
https://www.rt.com/news/444857-russia-ukraine-kerch-strait-standoff/
the Ukrainian vessels were sailing between two Ukrainian ports: from Odessa in the Black Sea to Mariupol in the Azov Sea. The only waterway that connects these is the Kerch Strait between Crimea and mainland Russia. Kiev says it notified Moscow in advance that its navy ships would be sailing through the area. Moscow denies that it was given warning.
While both Russia and Ukraine have freedom of navigation in the Kerch Strait under a 2003 treaty, there are detailed technical rules on how vessels should pass through the narrow, complex waterway. All traffic in the area is controlled by the Crimean sea port of Kerch, and every ship should contact the facility, report her route and destination, and receive permission to sail through the Strait.
krainian vessels continued their journey despite warnings from the Russian authorities. The Ukrainian Navy said the military vessels were sailing from the port city of Odessa to the Azov port of Mariupol as part of a scheduled routine transfer and claimed that it warned the Russian authorities about the trip in advance.
The FSB denounced the actions of the Ukrainian vessels as "provocation." A video released by Russian authorities shows the Ukrainian vessels maneuvering in close proximity to the Russian ones.
At midnight, the FSB released a statement, saying that Russian warships had to open fire after the three Ukrainian ships ignored "legal demands to stop" and continued "performing dangerous maneuvers."
Three Ukrainian sailors were wounded and given medical assistance, while the ships were seized. The group of ships that were heading to the strait from the Azov Sea turned back to their port.
round midnight, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko instructed the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) to convene for an emergency meeting proposing to impose martial law. The council has moved forward with the motion. The Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, will vote on whether to approve the decision in an extraordinary session on Monday.
Poroshenko stated that martial law will not mean immediate mobilization of troops and said that no offensive operations are being planned.
So you're using RT for a news source?
how about Pravda dipshit?
Getin the ring
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How about we start minding our own business for a while.
First liberals want to convict Putin of crimes he interfered in our election, now they want a crown prince from Saudi Arabia brought up on charges ,
Taking a page out of the worst president in history's book, that Obama disaster that thought it was ok to assasinate Ghadafi because he didn't like his rhetoric, then leave the country to the Muslim brotherhood to give us ISIS on steroids
what exactly do you want, Trump injecting himself in everything, or not
You have all lost your minds you triggered nut-bags
#MAGA
First liberals want to convict Putin of crimes he interfered in our election, now they want a crown prince from Saudi Arabia brought up on charges ,
Taking a page out of the worst president in history's book, that Obama disaster that thought it was ok to assasinate Ghadafi because he didn't like his rhetoric, then leave the country to the Muslim brotherhood to give us ISIS on steroids
what exactly do you want, Trump injecting himself in everything, or not
You have all lost your minds you triggered nut-bags
#MAGA
reagansghost
eternal
how about you join daddy Trump and give Putin a rim job
Getin the ring
Verified User
and you wonder why people laugh at you
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
" ... Repeal of the law
See also: 2014 Crimean crisis
On February 23, 2014, the second day after the flight of Viktor Yanukovich, while in a parliamentary session, a deputy from the "Batkivshchina" party, Vyacheslav Kyrylenko, moved to include in the agenda a bill to repeal the 2012 law "On the principles of the state language policy". The motion was carried with 86% of the votes in favour—232 deputies in favour vs 37 opposed against the required minimum of 226 of 334 votes. The bill was included in the agenda, immediately put to a vote with no debate and approved with the same 232 voting in favour. The bill would have made Ukrainian the sole state language at all levels.[12][47] Still, all the minority languages (including Russian) remain explicitly protected under article 10 of the Ukrainian Constitution. The repeal would also bring back into force the previous law on languages, which was in place in Ukraine for 23 years before July 2012 and was regulating the use of the minority languages. According to Uilleam Blacker, the repeal bill contained no specific threat to the Russian language.[48][49]
However the move to repeal the 2012 law "On the principles of the state language policy" provoked negative reactions in Crimea and in some regions of Southern and Eastern Ukraine. It became one of the topics of the protests against the new government approved by the parliament after the flight of Viktor Yanukovich.[50] In this context, the next major development was the Crimean crisis. ... "
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_policy_in_Ukraine
reagansghost
eternal
who's laughing at me Dmitry?
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
* what's this all about? RT says it's about Ukraine not following notification procedure. thoughts? *
https://www.rt.com/news/444857-russia-ukraine-kerch-strait-standoff/
the Ukrainian vessels were sailing between two Ukrainian ports: from Odessa in the Black Sea to Mariupol in the Azov Sea. The only waterway that connects these is the Kerch Strait between Crimea and mainland Russia. Kiev says it notified Moscow in advance that its navy ships would be sailing through the area. Moscow denies that it was given warning.
While both Russia and Ukraine have freedom of navigation in the Kerch Strait under a 2003 treaty, there are detailed technical rules on how vessels should pass through the narrow, complex waterway. All traffic in the area is controlled by the Crimean sea port of Kerch, and every ship should contact the facility, report her route and destination, and receive permission to sail through the Strait.
krainian vessels continued their journey despite warnings from the Russian authorities. The Ukrainian Navy said the military vessels were sailing from the port city of Odessa to the Azov port of Mariupol as part of a scheduled routine transfer and claimed that it warned the Russian authorities about the trip in advance.
The FSB denounced the actions of the Ukrainian vessels as "provocation." A video released by Russian authorities shows the Ukrainian vessels maneuvering in close proximity to the Russian ones.
At midnight, the FSB released a statement, saying that Russian warships had to open fire after the three Ukrainian ships ignored "legal demands to stop" and continued "performing dangerous maneuvers."
Three Ukrainian sailors were wounded and given medical assistance, while the ships were seized. The group of ships that were heading to the strait from the Azov Sea turned back to their port.
round midnight, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko instructed the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (NSDC) to convene for an emergency meeting proposing to impose martial law. The council has moved forward with the motion. The Verkhovna Rada, the Ukrainian parliament, will vote on whether to approve the decision in an extraordinary session on Monday.
Poroshenko stated that martial law will not mean immediate mobilization of troops and said that no offensive operations are being planned.
Historically the Crimea and what today is the eastern part of the Ukraine was Russian. We need to stay out of this.
moon
Satire for Sanity
Velly funny Amellican concubine lady.
reagansghost
eternal
who cares what you 'condemn'?
Bigdog
Harris - make America a 3rd world shithole
Awwww ... you gonna cry because you're not important enough to be included in my list?
reagansghost
eternal
you're here weeping like bitch 20 hrs/day
Lightbringer
Loves Me Some Souls
Do you condemn the NEA?
well there you go. The Kyiv faction doesn't want any cooperation with Russia - it doesn't want Uk neutrality either.
They are pawns of NATO
here is what I was looking for. kudzu asked about joining NATO ( EU) this is just before the Euromaidan.
It's the proximate cause of the Euromaidan
First published on Wed 18 Dec 2013 04.40 EST
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/ukraine-russia-leaders-talks-kremlin-loan-deal
Vladimir Putin offers Ukraine financial incentives to stick with Russia
The announcements came after he held talks in Moscow with his Ukrainian counterpart, who is facing massive protests at home for his decision to shelve a pact with the European Union in favour of closer ties with Russia.
Economic experts say Ukraine desperately needs at least $10bn in the coming months to avoid bankruptcy.
Putin sought to calm the protesters in Kiev by saying on Tuesday that he and Yanukovych did not discuss the prospect of Ukraine joining the Russian-dominated Customs Union. But the sweeping agreements are likely to fuel the anger of demonstrators who want Ukraine to break from Russia's orbit and integrate with the 28-nation EU.
The Russian finance minister, Anton Siluanov, said after the Kremlin talks that Russia would purchase $15bn in Ukraine's Eurobonds, starting this month.
Putin said the Russian state-controlled gas monopoly, Gazprom, will cut the price that Ukraine must pay for Russian gas deliveries to $268 per 1,000 cubic metres from the current level of about $400 per 1,000 cubic metres.
In brief remarks to the media before they began the talks, Putin said Ukraine "is without doubt, in the full sense of the word, our strategic partner and ally". He said that over the past two years, trade levels between the countries had dropped, but that the range of new agreements would rectify that.
"The time has come to take energetic steps not only to return to the levels of recent years but to go further," he said.
Membership of the Customs Union, a Moscow-led trade grouping into which the Kremlin has been keen to entice Ukraine, is unlikely to be on the agenda in the near future, but it is believed that in return for a package of loans and trade concessions, Yanukovych has agreed not to sign the EU deal.
Putin looked relaxed before the meeting, slouching in his chair, while Yanukovych sat bolt upright and spoke with long pauses between sentences. Ukrainian media reported that Yanukovych's delegation had asked the Russians not to arrange a joint press conference after the meetings finished.
Nevertheless, Yanukovych said the documents on the table represented a "strategic decision" and that the two sides should work harder to develop closer relations in future. He told Putin he hoped the "traditional" issue of gas prices could be solved.
Demonstrators have sealed off the centre of Kiev for several weeks and repulsed police efforts to remove them. On Tuesday morning, several hundred protesters stood on Yanukovych's route to the airport, holding signs that read: "Turn the plane round to Europe!"
It's the proximate cause of the Euromaidan
First published on Wed 18 Dec 2013 04.40 EST
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/17/ukraine-russia-leaders-talks-kremlin-loan-deal
Vladimir Putin offers Ukraine financial incentives to stick with Russia
The announcements came after he held talks in Moscow with his Ukrainian counterpart, who is facing massive protests at home for his decision to shelve a pact with the European Union in favour of closer ties with Russia.
Economic experts say Ukraine desperately needs at least $10bn in the coming months to avoid bankruptcy.
Putin sought to calm the protesters in Kiev by saying on Tuesday that he and Yanukovych did not discuss the prospect of Ukraine joining the Russian-dominated Customs Union. But the sweeping agreements are likely to fuel the anger of demonstrators who want Ukraine to break from Russia's orbit and integrate with the 28-nation EU.
The Russian finance minister, Anton Siluanov, said after the Kremlin talks that Russia would purchase $15bn in Ukraine's Eurobonds, starting this month.
Putin said the Russian state-controlled gas monopoly, Gazprom, will cut the price that Ukraine must pay for Russian gas deliveries to $268 per 1,000 cubic metres from the current level of about $400 per 1,000 cubic metres.
In brief remarks to the media before they began the talks, Putin said Ukraine "is without doubt, in the full sense of the word, our strategic partner and ally". He said that over the past two years, trade levels between the countries had dropped, but that the range of new agreements would rectify that.
"The time has come to take energetic steps not only to return to the levels of recent years but to go further," he said.
Membership of the Customs Union, a Moscow-led trade grouping into which the Kremlin has been keen to entice Ukraine, is unlikely to be on the agenda in the near future, but it is believed that in return for a package of loans and trade concessions, Yanukovych has agreed not to sign the EU deal.
Putin looked relaxed before the meeting, slouching in his chair, while Yanukovych sat bolt upright and spoke with long pauses between sentences. Ukrainian media reported that Yanukovych's delegation had asked the Russians not to arrange a joint press conference after the meetings finished.
Nevertheless, Yanukovych said the documents on the table represented a "strategic decision" and that the two sides should work harder to develop closer relations in future. He told Putin he hoped the "traditional" issue of gas prices could be solved.
Demonstrators have sealed off the centre of Kiev for several weeks and repulsed police efforts to remove them. On Tuesday morning, several hundred protesters stood on Yanukovych's route to the airport, holding signs that read: "Turn the plane round to Europe!"