Saudi Arabia’s bitch!

[moon]

You don't blow up a 70 year relationship over one incident.

Horseshit. bin Salman is an individual - not a 70 year relationship. NOBODY gets away with murdering and dismembering a Washington Post journalist in a diplomatic office- and that includes your degenerate ' prince ' AND the rest of his cowardly-assed royal family.
Take Trump down with him- small loss.

 

[moon]

if not us it would be Russia or China. we lost influence Egypt when Obama refused to sell to Sisi -
even then the Russian ties to Egypt are now arms and commercial

You creeps that put arms sales over moral concerns ought to be put in the front line to use them.
This attitude of ' jobs are more important than lives ' is insane.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Trump is walking the thin line he has to.
If I recall the CIA said MbS "might have known" but there was no proof either way.
( pardon me if I do not swallow CIA assessments after bullshit like Russian collusion as well).

there are 2 competing interests -punishing KSA, and keeping KSA a close ally.
Trump has sanctioned the individuals but not the government...works for me

Trump has sanctioned the Prince?

When did that happen?

 

[Ross Dolan]

no he did not condone murder -he condemned it, and placed sanctions on the individuals identified.
Your rants about Yemen might have weight if you also went after Iran's prosecution of a proxy war against KSA
-but you didn't

He condemned and put sanctions against the Prince?

When did he do that?

 

[Ross Dolan]

OK fine. I can't get past your hatred of Trump, and it's not my business to try.
whether he "knows" or doesn't know, would you agree or not that he took the correct course here?
( limited sanctions - not breaking off relations)

He did NOT take the correct course.

He did NOT have to break off relations...but his reaction could have been more focused on the fact that the Prince apparently directed the murder of an American resident...and journalist.

Why does your loyalty to your Dear Leader make you people so thick-headed?

 

[kudzu]

That amount of aid is ridiculous. There is guilt and there are holocaust reparations but years upon years and billions upon billions is enough.

It is ridiculous.. especially since Israel has betrayed every US president since Truman.

 

[kudzu]

Some long-time married couples might disagree. That being said could you provide some rationale as to why we should be okay with the murder of a journalist because the current WH occupant has business dealings with the purported killers?

IMO Trump doesn't matter.. He's borrowed money from many countries.

Kashoggi was an advocate for the Muslim Brotherhood and for Arab Spring.. He wanted to turn KSA into Libya or Syria.

 

[Darth Omar]

Excerpt:

By Adam Edelman
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard on Wednesday slammed President Donald Trump as "Saudi Arabia's bitch" in the latest scathing criticism of the commander-in-chief's extraordinary statement this week to stand by the country's rulers despite the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

The Hawaii Democratic congresswoman made the remarks in a brief and blistering tweet Wednesday afternoon.

"Hey @realdonaldtrump: being Saudi Arabia's bitch is not 'America First,'" wrote Gabbard, a 37-year-old Iraq War veteran who at various points has been considered a rising star in her party.

The tweet was in apparent reference to Trump's exclamation point-filled formal presidential statement Tuesday that his administration would take no actions against Saudi Arabia's rulers regarding the Khashoggi killing — despite NBC News and other reports last week that the CIA concluded that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered Khashoggi's killing.

If we are the Saudis’ bitch we’ve been their bitch for decades lol.

There is plenty to be unhappy with about the Saudis with or without Kashoggi.

 

[kudzu]

If we are the Saudis’ bitch we’ve been their bitch for decades lol.

There is plenty to be unhappy with about the Saudis with or without Kashoggi.

I disagree the Saudis have done an excellent job in developing their country. in terms of healthcare, education, clean water, power generation, infrastructure, agribusiness and chemical business.. and they are more generous with humanitarian aid per capital than we are in the US.

Meanwhile,

Iranian general: US Mideast bases ‘easy targets’ for our missiles
November 22, 2018

https://worldisraelnews.com/iranian...ew_notification_1542881718&pushcrew_powered=1

 

[moon]

Meanwhile,

Iranian general: US Mideast bases ‘easy targets’ for our missiles
November 22, 2018

That's just in case the Saudi/US/Izraeli invasion machinery has the same designs upon Iran that it is inflicting upon Yemen.

85,000 dead children would agree.

 

[kudzu]

That's just in case the Saudi/US/Izraeli invasion machinery has the same designs upon Iran that it is inflicting upon Yemen.

85,000 dead children would agree.

What is Iran going to do about the dead children in Yemen? Will they continue to support war and the Houthis?

The country can't possibly recover as long as the Houthis are there.

Why doesn't Iran open its doors to them?

 

[anatta]

You creeps that put arms sales over moral concerns ought to be put in the front line to use them.
This attitude of ' jobs are more important than lives ' is insane.

oh please. like I said if it wasn't us -then China or Russia would step in. why we should we lose a contract and influence w/KSA? It wouldn't change anything, it would just hurt our abilities in the ME.

It's not like we are creating a terrorist state like we did killing Qadafi in Libya; it's just realpolitic

 

[kudzu]

That's just in case the Saudi/US/Izraeli invasion machinery has the same designs upon Iran that it is inflicting upon Yemen.

85,000 dead children would agree.

No one has designs on Iran.. but, I think that's what the Mullahs teach the people to frighten them and solidify their power. Do you think that they want to annex Iran .. or govern Iran.. or change their religion?

 

[kudzu]

oh please. like I said if it wasn't us -then China or Russia would step in. why we should we lose a contract and influence w/KSA? It wouldn't change anything, it would just hurt our abilities in the ME.

It's not like we are creating a terrorist state like we did killing Qadafi in Libya; it's just realpolitic

We didn't kill Gaddafi.. We were trying to stop the slaughter. Turkey is there now..Have they accomplished anything? There was another raid on an NOC facility this week.

 

[anatta]

We didn't kill Gaddafi.. We were trying to stop the slaughter. Turkey is there now..Have they accomplished anything? There was another raid on an NOC facility this week.

what do you mean "Turkey is there now?".. I saw the Sharara oilfield attack and posted in the Libyan Interests thread.'

Sure we killed him -us and the French hit his convoy with missiles causing him to flee and get a brutal death.
Yankee Doodle

The "slaughter" was a civil war -was he not supposed to put down an insurrection as legit ruler?

 

[kudzu]

what do you mean "Turkey is there now?".. I saw the Sharara oilfield attack and posted in the Libyan Interests thread.'

Sure we killed him -us and the French hit his convoy with missiles causing him to flee and get a brutal death.
Yankee Doodle

We did not kill Gaddafi or orchestrate the Arab Spring. Gaddafi had an opportunity to appeal to his people, institute reforms etc. He chose to kill them instead.. There is NO way the US could have stopped what was going on in Libya.

 

[kudzu]

what do you mean "Turkey is there now?".. I saw the Sharara oilfield attack and posted in the Libyan Interests thread.'

Sure we killed him -us and the French hit his convoy with missiles causing him to flee and get a brutal death.
Yankee Doodle

The "slaughter" was a civil war -was he not supposed to put down an insurrection as legit ruler?

Why Turkey is making a return to Libya - al-monitor.com

Although Turkey has pursued seemingly strange and inconsistent policies toward Libya since 2010, commercial and economic interests have taken over the Turkish approach to the North African nation.

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/or...conomic-interests-ankara-tripoli-embassy.html

 

[kudzu]

Turkey's Secret Proxy War in Libya? | The National Interest

Libya’s internationally recognized Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni accused Turkey last month of sending weapons to his Islamist rivals who seized the Libyan capital of Tripoli last year ..

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/turkeys-secret-proxy-war-libya-12430

bya’s internationally recognized Prime Minister Abdullah al-Thinni accused Turkey last month of sending weapons to his Islamist rivals who seized the Libyan capital of Tripoli last year. “Turkey is a state that is not dealing honestly with us,” he told Egyptian television. “It’s exporting weapons to us so the Libyan people kill each other.”

These accusations are not new. In January, the speaker of Libya’s Parliament claimed, “Turkey still supports the terrorist militias in Libya.” In December, a prominent Benghazi-based activist claimed that Ansar al-Sharia in Libya, a faction loyal to al-Qaeda that has carried out acts of political violence against the recognized Libyan government , is partially funded by “businessmen linked by trade ties to Turkey.”

Two weeks ago, the acting interior minister of the embattled government in Tobruk claimed that Turkish and Qatari aircraft are flying in and out of the Mitiga air base, which is controlled by the opposing Dawn coalition, amounting to “clear and explicit support” for terrorism in Libya.

The Libyan Civil War, which began after Qaddaffi’s fall, is often described as a proxy war, with Egypt and the United Arab Emirates reportedly backing al-Thinni and the officially recognized government in Tobruk, and Qatar and Turkey reportedly backing the Islamists and other opposition factions.

Turkey has made no secret about backing the country’s Islamists after Qaddaffi’s fall in 2011, and it openly liaises with the self-declared Islamist government in Tripoli. Yet Turkey’s Libyan envoy complains that these latest allegations are a “ dangerous smear campaign .”

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[anatta]

We did not kill Gaddafi or orchestrate the Arab Spring. Gaddafi had an opportunity to appeal to his people, institute reforms etc. He chose to kill them instead.. There is NO way the US could have stopped what was going on in Libya.

We sure as hell did kill him -what else do you call hitting his convoy as a military target?

Hillary Clinton " we came we saw he died" -that bitch sure as hell took credit for the killing!

The NTC were not interested in reform -they promised democracy and walked away from the elections.
They were a front for al-Qaeda (LIFG) as well as revolutionaries

Royal Canadian Air Force "we are al-Qaeda's AF"

Turkey is there now..Have they accomplished anything?

not sure what you mean?

 

[kudzu]

We sure as hell did kill him -what else do you call hitting his convoy as a military target?

Hillary Clinton " we came we saw he died" -that bitch sure as hell took credit for the killing!

The NTC were not interested in reform -they promised democracy and walked away from the elections.
They were a front for al-Qaeda (LIFG) as well as revolutionaries

Royal Canadian Air Force "we are al-Qaeda's AF"
not sure what you mean?

This week, fighting erupted between rival militias in Tripoli, shattering a period of calm that lasted since March. The UN-backed government lost more than 50 fighters.

Also, Egyptian air force planes continue to strike camps near Derna, in east Libya. The air strikes were a response to a deadly attack against Christians in Egypt that took place last Friday. The Egyptian president claims that the area hosts "terrorist camps".

There are three rival governments vying for control of Libya. There are two governments in Tripoli. One of them is the UN-backed Government of National Accord (GNA), which has struggled to exert authority following the 2015 peace deal. This is mainly due to the refusal of authorities controlling eastern Libya to recognise the GNA as Libya's official government.

Here is a breakdown of how Libya got to this point moving from a promising transitional government to a state of ongoing conflict.

The Uprising
Buoyed by the other revolts in neighbouring Arab countries such as Tunisia and Egypt, Libya's popular uprising against the authoritarian rule of Muammar Gaddafi began in February 2011.

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https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2017/04/happening-libya-today-170418083223563.html