You do realize he has gone full fascist in his speeches

LV426 said:
To win elections, dude. That's why anyone would posture.

The reality is that Obama was 100% right about the need for TPP because Obama recognized that both China and the EU have aggressive trade postures, and we need trade allies to have our back. We can't do it alone, not in a globalized world.
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I agree we need it. I agreed with NAFTA, CAFTA and our other trade agreements.

Even though annata isn't a conservative (he was an Obama voter) many liberals have traditionally been against our trade deals (not all of course, there are free trade liberals just as there are anti-trade conservatives but on the whole conservatives have been more open to free trade).

So I'm responding to your comment that conservatives don't support or understand trade deals when historically that has not been the case. And if liberals understand trade deals why would Bernie and Hillary have to posture to them?
 
kudzu said:
The Difference Between Nationalism, Patriotism, Sectionalism, and Jingoism

Nationalism has a number of near-synonyms, each of which carries its own distinct meaning. Patriotism is similar insofar as it emphasizes strong feelings for one’s country, but it does not necessarily imply an attitude of superiority.

Sectionalism resembles nationalism in its suggestion of a geopolitical group pursuing its self-interest, but the group in question is usually smaller than an entire nation. Jingoism closely resembles nationalism in suggesting feelings of cultural superiority, but unlike nationalism, it always implies military aggressiveness.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nationalism
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you really need to stop this stupid shit......we know you want to turn it into code words, but you're just being stupid now.....
 
anatta said:
awesome. so we should sit back and let China dictate the terms of WTO rules they want to follow or not?
Or should we negotiate bilateral trade agreements with them that benefit the USA?

Have you noticed the "rise of China?" how did that happen without China being nationalistic in all matters?
Should we not be nationalist ourselves? you've seen what globalism has done to our economy.
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China doing it don't make it right, shitstain and nationalism isn't the opposite of Globalism.

Trump is a solid globalist, despite What He may say.
His actions speak louder than his words.
 
cawacko said:
This is what Cypress wrote to me in 2007 when it was said China and U.S. trade cost 2.3 million American jobs.


"""You think this was an accident, or somehow all unintentional?

This was exactly what the wall street republicans, and corporate-sponsored Dems had in mind when the passed NAFTA, WTO, and China MFN.

A downward pressure on labor costs and wages in the United States.

People like Cawacko, Damocles, and Stuperfreak actually bought into the nonsense that William F Buckley, Ronald Reagan, George Bush, and Alan Greenspan were actually valiantly trying to improve the status, power, and wage potential of america's working middle class. Is it possible to be any more foolish that to believe scions of the conservative movement and america's rich investor were invested in improving the power and status of Joe and Jane working class american?"""

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...t-2-3-million-U-S-jobs-report&highlight=china



So a decade ago only right wingers who didn't care about the working man supported free trade agreements. Now all of a sudden one is against the working man by not supporting TPP. Things definitely change quickly.
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So he's always been full.of shit, it's not a recent development!
 
kudzu said:
I am not an Oxford dictionary or Encyclopedia Britannica or Webster.. That's where you'll find the definition of nationalism. You should grow up and quit acting like an old fool.
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lol....you fucking idiot.....you're the one pretending it means jingoism......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
fucking idiot.......
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21st-century nationalist leaders
Donald J. Trump (United States of America)
Tomislav Nikolić (Serbia)
Aleksandar Vučić (Serbia)
Viktor Orbán (Hungary)
Narendra Modi (India)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Vladimir Putin (Russia)
Dmitri Medvedev (Russia)
Xi Jinping (People’s Republic of China)
 
kudzu said:
21st-century nationalist leaders
Donald J. Trump (United States of America)
Tomislav Nikolić (Serbia)
Aleksandar Vučić (Serbia)
Viktor Orbán (Hungary)
Narendra Modi (India)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Vladimir Putin (Russia)
Dmitri Medvedev (Russia)
Xi Jinping (People’s Republic of China)
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nationalists as defined by a fucking idiot.......stfu!.....
 
reagansghost said:
the term 'nationalism' can be benign as is in pride in one's country

as opposed to Trump, Franco, Mussolini et al's usage, extreme nationalism

....as in the Nazi party's usage "National Socialism" which is code for extreme nationalism for all........and terms like European 'Democratic Socialism' which is code for sharing the national wealth/productivity with all (capitalism very much a part of that mix)
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Are the Democratic Socialists in Europe going to start sharing their wealth with all of the poor migrants they have taken in?
 
Into the Night said:
Not at all. It is simply recognizing the benefits of your own nation, and why it should be preserved.
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That's patriotism......... not nationalism.

21st-century nationalist leaders
Donald J. Trump (United States of America)
Tomislav Nikolić (Serbia)
Aleksandar Vučić (Serbia)
Viktor Orbán (Hungary)
Narendra Modi (India)
Rodrigo Duterte (Philippines)
Vladimir Putin (Russia)
Dmitri Medvedev (Russia)
Xi Jinping (People’s Republic of China)
 
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