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States Are Running Out of Money to Pay Their Public Employee Pensions

http://time.com/money/5237776/pension-funding-record-low/

Here's a couple of relevant paragraphs from the article and why it is a very real problem.


""The massive unfunded pension liabilities are becoming a real problem not just for public-sector retirees and workers concerned about their future but for everyone else, too. As states try to prop up their pension systems, it means less money is available for core government services such as education, public safety and parks.

The annual report from the Pew Charitable Trusts finds public worker pension funds with heavy state government involvement owed retirees and current workers $4 trillion as of 2016. They had about $2.6 trillion in assets, creating a gap of about one-third, or a record $1.4 trillion.""
 
???....the housing bubble didn't start in 2004......that's when people started getting worried......by 2005 EVERYBODY except the demmycrats in the House were worried........they kept telling everyone the FED was fine.......


Why can't you provide proof of your claims? Because you can't. You think just because you say something, it makes it true? My God, you're ignorant.

Take a look at this. Look at what happened in 2002 after Bush Jr signed the American Dream Downpayment Act. There's your freaking evidence, pinhead:

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My brother-in-law was a real estate broker in the DC area for 40 years. In 2004, I remember him in 2004 remarking about the bubble and how it was a sellers market. They were getting 10% more than their listing prices because there were so many more buyers than sellers because of Bush Jr's American Dream Downpayment Act in 2002. Low income buyers who normally couldn't buy a home, now could thanks to Bush Jr. This was the root of the problem. The proof is there. Everybody knows it except radicalized right wing nut jobs like yourself who feel the need to parrot the right wing talking points and deflect blame. It's what you nut jobs do.

Now, educate yourself and read below:

2003: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy $81 billion in subprime securities.[21]
June: Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan lowers federal reserve’s key interest rate to 1%, the lowest in 45 years.[42]
September: Bush administration recommended moving governmental supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac under a new agency created within the Department of the Treasury. The changes were blocked by Congress.[43]
December: President Bush signs the American Dream Downpayment Act to be implemented under the Department of Housing and Urban Development. The goal was to provide a maximum downpayment assistance grant of either $10,000 or six percent of the purchase price of the home, whichever was greater. In addition, the Bush Administration committed to reforming the homebuying process that would lower closing costs by approximately $700 per loan. It was said it would further stimulate homeownership for all Americans.[44]
2003-2007: The Federal Reserve failed to use its supervisory and regulatory authority over banks, mortgage underwriters and other lenders, who abandoned loan standards (employment history, income, down payments, credit rating, assets, property loan-to-value ratio and debt-servicing ability), emphasizing instead lender's ability to securitize and repackage subprime loans.[35]
2004: U.S. homeownership rate peaked with an all-time high of 69.2 percent.[45]
HUD increased Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac affordable-housing goals for next four years, from 50 percent to 56 percent, stating they lagged behind the private market; from 2004 to 2006, they purchased $434 billion in securities backed by subprime loans.[21]
October: SEC effectively suspends net capital rule for five firms - Goldman Sachs, Merrill Lynch, Lehman Brothers, Bear Stearns and Morgan Stanley. Freed from government-imposed limits on the debt they can assume, they levered up 20, 30 and even 40 to 1.[46]
2004–2005: Arizona, California, Florida, Hawaii, and Nevada record price increases in excess of 25% per year.
2004-2006: The Federal Reserve hiked interest rates in 17 consecutive quarterly meetings from 1% to 6.25% to slow the economy and forestall inflation. This greatly increasing the cost of lending, especially for loans indexed to the Fed's rates, including short-term adjustable rate mortgages. Many borrowers, especially subprime, saw their mortgage payments skyrocket as much as 60% after periodic resetting to their index.
2005: United States housing market correction.
January: The Median Home Price was $223,100, while the Average Home Price was $283,000. [47]
Fall: Booming housing market halts abruptly; from the fourth quarter of 2005 to the first quarter of 2006, median prices nationwide dropped off 3.3 percent.[49]
Year-end: A total of 846,982 properties were in some stage of foreclosure in 2005.[50]
2006: Continued market slowdown. Prices are flat, home sales fall, resulting in inventory buildup. U.S. Home Construction Index is down over 40% as of mid-August 2006 compared to a year earlier. A total of 1,259,118 foreclosures were filed during the year, up 42 percent from 2005.[51]
2005: About 885,000 foreclosures notices were filed on 846,982 properties during the year. Less than 1 percent of all households were in some stage of foreclosure during 2005.[52]
2006: Year-end: More than 1.25 million foreclosure notices were filed on more than 800,000 properties during the year. One in 92 of all households were in some stage of foreclosure during 2006.
2007: Year-to-year decreases in both U.S. home sales and home prices accelerates rather than slowing, with U.S. Treasury secretary Paulson calling "the housing decline ... the most significant risk to our economy."[54] Home sales continue to fall. The decrease in existing-home sales is the steepest since 1989. In Q1/2007, S&P/Case-Shiller house price index records first year-over-year decline in nationwide house prices since 1991.[55] The subprime mortgage industry collapses, foreclosure activity increases [56] and rising interest rates threaten to depress prices further as problems in the subprime markets spread to the near-prime and prime mortgage markets.[57]

February–ongoing: 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis - more than 25 subprime lenders declare bankruptcy, announce significant losses, or put themselves up for sale.
April 2: New Century Financial, largest U.S. subprime lender, files for chapter 11 bankruptcy.[58]
August: worldwide "credit crunch" as subprime mortgage backed securities are discovered in portfolios of banks and hedge funds around the world, from BNP Paribas to Bank of China. Many lenders stop offering home equity loans and "stated income" loans. Federal Reserve injects about $100B into the money supply for banks to borrow at a low rate.
August 6: American Home Mortgage files for chapter 11 bankruptcy.[60]
August 16: Countrywide Financial Corporation, the biggest U.S. mortgage lender, narrowly avoids bankruptcy by taking out an emergency loan of $11 billion from a group of banks.[62]
August 17: Federal Reserve lowers the discount rate by 50 basis points to 5.75% from 6.25%.[63]
August 31: President Bush announces a limited bailout of U.S. homeowners unable to pay the rising costs of their debts.[64] Ameriquest, once the largest subprime lender in the U.S., goes out of business.[65]
September 17: Former Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan said "we had a bubble in housing" [71][72] and warns of "large double digit declines" in home values "larger than most people expect."
September 30: Affected by the spiraling mortgage and credit crises, Internet banking pioneer NetBank goes bankrupt[75] NetBank Inc was the largest savings and loan failure since the tail end of the Savings and Loan crisis in the early 1990s.[76] and the Swiss bank UBS announced that it lost US$690 million in the third quarter.[77]
December 6: President Bush announced a plan to voluntarily freeze the mortgages of a limited number of mortgage debtors holding ARMs for 5 years. The plan run by the Hope Now Alliance. Its phone number is 1-888-995-HOPE.[81] Some experts criticized the plan as "a Band-Aid when the patient needs major surgery",[82] a "teaser-freezer",[83] and a "bail-out".[84][85]
percent.[78] Economists' predictions of the total amount of home price declines from the bubble's peak range from moderate 10–15 percent to larger 30–50 percent price declines in some areas.[69][78]
Home sales continue to fall. Fears of a U.S. recession.
January 2–21: January 2008 stock market downturn.
January 24: The National Association of Realtors (NAR) announced that 2007 had the largest drop in existing home sales in 25 years,[89] and "the first price decline in many, many years and possibly going back to the Great Depression."[90]
March 14–18: Dropping valuations of mortgage securities caused by skyrocketing default and foreclosure rates forces margin calls to the Wall Street bank Bear Stearns for debts the bank used to leverage mortgage issuances, and threatens BSC with bankruptcy and causes worldwide market jitters. In a weekend deal brokered by U.S. Treasury secretary Paulson and Fed chairman Ben Bernanke, JPMorgan bank agrees to purchase BSC for $2 per share, compared to their 2007 high of nearly $170, in exchange for the Federal Reserve Bank agreeing to accept BSC's devalued mortgage backed securities as collateral for public loans at the newly created Term Securities Lending Facility (TSLF), effectively providing a mechanism to bail out Wall Street banks threatened with insolvency.[91]
Year-end: A total of 3,957,643 foreclosures were filed on 2,824,674 properties during the year, up 21 percent from 2008. More than 2.21 percent of all households were in some stage of foreclosure during 2009, up from 1.84 percent in 2008.[99]
 
I know how pensions are funded...with tax revenues and returns on the Pension Fund.

What I'm trying to figure out from you are the metrics you're using to determine these liabilities that you appear to be exaggerating for shock value, but are surprisingly deficient when it comes to substance.

It should be simple; you should be able to say that by year 20xx, there will be $X amount of pensions unfunded and that's based on a revenue baseline from 20xx of $X in revenues and Pension Fund returns a year.

But you didn't do that. Because you don't even know where to start. Because you got hooked by the headline and thought you could posture yourself because your ultimate goal is to cut benefits for workers who earned them.You're so transparent, I could wrap you around my sandwich to keep it fresh in the fridge.

tee hee hee
 
Even if there was a crisis, which I'm not entirely convinced there is, most of it was caused by the fact that pension funds were robbed and cheated by investment firms and funds during the Bush Subprime Bubble.

Oh no no no......I meant the lie about the pensions funds was started by racist right wingers. They were robbing the pensions and blaming it on unfunded liabilities.

Same thing they do with SS
 
Why can't you provide proof of your claims? Because you can't. You think just because you say something, it makes it true? My God, you're ignorant.

Take a look at this. Look at what happened in 2002 after Bush Jr signed the American Dream Downpayment Act. There's your freaking evidence, pinhead:

united_states.png

dude, your chart clearly shows the trend started in 1998......thanks.....

2003: Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy $81 billion in subprime securities.[21]

???....because of what Bush did in 2004......are you what happened in 2003 was the result of what happened in 2004?.....
 
You have the mind of a child, like me when I was 13 years old


Great rebuttal Comrade, really well thought out.

So, are you lying that Merkel is NOT in bed with the Russians?

{Germany is the world's biggest natural gas importer and needs to import 92 percent of the gas it consumes.

Trump also claimed today that Germany spends 'billions and billions of dollars a year' on Russian gas.

In fact, Germany's bill for Russian gas last year was 17 billion euros ($21 billion) for some 87 billion cubic meters, according to Gazprom, the state-run Russian gas company. }

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...RIGHT-Germany-imports-70-cent-gas-Russia.html

Consider that lie destroyed.

OR were you lying that the Euro-Weenies did NOT cave on NATO payments?

{Merkel: Germany to heavily increase Bundeswehr budget
The chancellor says Germany will spend billions more than currently budgeted on its military. This comes in response to criticism from the United States that fellow NATO members don't contribute enough to mutual defense.}

https://www.dw.com/en/merkel-germany-to-heavily-increase-bundeswehr-budget/a-36054268

Like most of the Communists here, you clutch your pearls and fan yourself, how DARE a normal call you effing scum out for what you are, HOW could mere PROLES have such nerve? Do we not KNOW who we are talking to? :eek:

What not a single leftist has done since I've come to this board - NOT one - is offer any sort of fact or reason to support the idiocy you promote.

Because you can't.

You're all full of shit, and we all know it. You depend on the silence of the normals to get away with it.

But I'm woke, I'm radicalized.
 
Obama only looked bad to you because you were eagerly swallowing all of the flood of lies about him coming from the right-wing lie machine. Much like you swallow all of the lies coming from Trump and the present lie machine.

DERP

Why can none of you commies think?

Obama looks bad because he IS bad. He spied on the American people. He obstructed justice by selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, he kept little Mexican kids in cages, oh yes- the pictures you Commie scum flat out lied were of Trump, were of Obama.

Obama through his department of injustice attempted to rig the 2016 presidential election. He tampered with the Israeli election (yeah, I know you dims HATE Jews).

Barack Obama is a freaking scumbag, which endears him to most democrats because they have so much in common with him.
 
DERP

Why can none of you commies think?

Obama looks bad because he IS bad. He spied on the American people. He obstructed justice by selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, he kept little Mexican kids in cages, oh yes- the pictures you Commie scum flat out lied were of Trump, were of Obama.

Obama through his department of injustice attempted to rig the 2016 presidential election. He tampered with the Israeli election (yeah, I know you dims HATE Jews).

Barack Obama is a freaking scumbag, which endears him to most democrats because they have so much in common with him.

Holy Christ. You are a true radicalized right wing nut job if you truly believe all that shit about President Obama. You're as far gone as any of the far right loonies on this forum. Worse than TDaK, TD, Sailor, CFM.
And here's a note. Calling anybody who disagrees with you "a commie" or "a leftist" is a cheap cop-out. I'm a conservative. Been one my whole life. Voted Republican probably 80% of the time and I think you're a freaking loony racist radicalized right wing idiot. You can call me what you want but know this. You're a far right extremist. Not a Republican or a Conservative. We don't want your kind. You're poison. You're radioactive. Go start your own freaking party and stay away from the Republican Party.

You suck.

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DERP

Why can none of you commies think?

Obama looks bad because he IS bad. He spied on the American people. He obstructed justice by selling guns to Mexican drug cartels, he kept little Mexican kids in cages, oh yes- the pictures you Commie scum flat out lied were of Trump, were of Obama.

Obama through his department of injustice attempted to rig the 2016 presidential election. He tampered with the Israeli election (yeah, I know you dims HATE Jews).

Barack Obama is a freaking scumbag, which endears him to most democrats because they have so much in common with him.

suck the shit out of a dead weasels ass you fucking Russian bot hole


tell Putin hes completely fucked
 
Holy Christ. You are a true radicalized right wing nut job if you truly believe all that shit about President Obama. You're as far gone as any of the far right loonies on this forum. Worse than TDaK, TD, Sailor, CFM.
And here's a note. Calling anybody who disagrees with you "a commie" or "a leftist" is a cheap cop-out. I'm a conservative. Been one my whole life. Voted Republican probably 80% of the time and I think you're a freaking loony racist radicalized right wing idiot. You can call me what you want but know this. You're a far right extremist. Not a Republican or a Conservative. We don't want your kind. You're poison. You're radioactive. Go start your own freaking party and stay away from the Republican Party.

You suck.

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the republican party name has been destroyed forever

your party allowed it
your support of their evil ideas lead to this mess
 
the republican party name has been destroyed forever

your party allowed it
your support of their evil ideas lead to this mess

Uncensored 2008 isn't part of the Republican Party. He's an extremist. A radicalized nut job who can't differentiate between reality and fake news. His claims about President Obama prove it.
He doesn't represent the right any more than the Alt Right, KKK or Arian Nation or the Communist Party represents Democrats.

You're obviously a Democrat. Does that make you a communist, a socialist? Do you want to become the left version of Uncensored 2008? A radicalized extremist? You're leaning that way.
 
Reagan was the best. He defended us with Star Wars and he broke unions.


He also broke the law by selling weapons to Iran.

On this day in 1986, President Ronald Reagan went on national television to explain — and, in part, defend — the secret sale of arms to Iran despite a U.S. arms embargo. White House officials hoped the arms transfers through Israel would help secure the release of seven U.S. hostages being held in Lebanon. They also used the proceeds of the sale to funnel weapons to Nicaraguan insurgents, known as the Contras, whom Reagan supported — despite a congressional ban on such transfers.

Reagan addressed the nation 10 days after the arms-for-hostages deal was revealed in a Lebanese magazine. The president said:

“My purpose was … to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. … At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there.”

Later that month, the Iran-Contra scandal metastasized when Lt. Col. Oliver North, a senior aide on the National Security Council, illegally destroyed or hid key documents that revealed what had transpired. At his 1989 trial, North testified that he had witnessed his boss, Vice Adm. John Poindexter, the national security adviser, shred the sole signed copy of a presidential covert-action finding that authorized the CIA to initiate Hawk missile shipments to Iran.

On Nov. 25, Reagan fired North. On the same day, Poindexter resigned.

Reagan, in a subsequent nationally televised address on March 4, 1987, took responsibility for any actions of which he was unaware, admitting that “what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages.”


Still think he was "the best"?
 
Uncensored 2008 isn't part of the Republican Party. He's an extremist. A radicalized nut job who can't differentiate between reality and fake news. His claims about President Obama prove it.
He doesn't represent the right any more than the Alt Right, KKK or Arian Nation or the Communist Party represents Democrats.

You're obviously a Democrat. Does that make you a communist, a socialist? Do you want to become the left version of Uncensored 2008? A radicalized extremist? You're leaning that way.

tell me which republican party things you feel are good


they have been bent on destroying this nation for decades fool
 
He also broke the law by selling weapons to Iran.

On this day in 1986, President Ronald Reagan went on national television to explain — and, in part, defend — the secret sale of arms to Iran despite a U.S. arms embargo. White House officials hoped the arms transfers through Israel would help secure the release of seven U.S. hostages being held in Lebanon. They also used the proceeds of the sale to funnel weapons to Nicaraguan insurgents, known as the Contras, whom Reagan supported — despite a congressional ban on such transfers.

Reagan addressed the nation 10 days after the arms-for-hostages deal was revealed in a Lebanese magazine. The president said:

“My purpose was … to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. … At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there.”

Later that month, the Iran-Contra scandal metastasized when Lt. Col. Oliver North, a senior aide on the National Security Council, illegally destroyed or hid key documents that revealed what had transpired. At his 1989 trial, North testified that he had witnessed his boss, Vice Adm. John Poindexter, the national security adviser, shred the sole signed copy of a presidential covert-action finding that authorized the CIA to initiate Hawk missile shipments to Iran.

On Nov. 25, Reagan fired North. On the same day, Poindexter resigned.

Reagan, in a subsequent nationally televised address on March 4, 1987, took responsibility for any actions of which he was unaware, admitting that “what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages.”


Still think he was "the best"?

IKE

was the last decent republican
 
He also broke the law by selling weapons to Iran.

On this day in 1986, President Ronald Reagan went on national television to explain — and, in part, defend — the secret sale of arms to Iran despite a U.S. arms embargo. White House officials hoped the arms transfers through Israel would help secure the release of seven U.S. hostages being held in Lebanon. They also used the proceeds of the sale to funnel weapons to Nicaraguan insurgents, known as the Contras, whom Reagan supported — despite a congressional ban on such transfers.

Reagan addressed the nation 10 days after the arms-for-hostages deal was revealed in a Lebanese magazine. The president said:

“My purpose was … to send a signal that the United States was prepared to replace the animosity between [the U.S. and Iran] with a new relationship. … At the same time we undertook this initiative, we made clear that Iran must oppose all forms of international terrorism as a condition of progress in our relationship. The most significant step which Iran could take, we indicated, would be to use its influence in Lebanon to secure the release of all hostages held there.”

Later that month, the Iran-Contra scandal metastasized when Lt. Col. Oliver North, a senior aide on the National Security Council, illegally destroyed or hid key documents that revealed what had transpired. At his 1989 trial, North testified that he had witnessed his boss, Vice Adm. John Poindexter, the national security adviser, shred the sole signed copy of a presidential covert-action finding that authorized the CIA to initiate Hawk missile shipments to Iran.

On Nov. 25, Reagan fired North. On the same day, Poindexter resigned.

Reagan, in a subsequent nationally televised address on March 4, 1987, took responsibility for any actions of which he was unaware, admitting that “what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages.”


Still think he was "the best"?

Reagan opposed the communists in Central America. Why didn't you?
 
Reagan opposed the communists in Central America. Why didn't you?

Why do you assume I don't oppose communists? Is this another thing you've dreamed up in your little delusional radicalized right wing brain?

I oppose Presidents and all elected government officials breaking the law. Reagan broke the law. Do you think Presidents should be held accountable for breaking the law or do you think they're above the law?
You're the far right version of evince. I hope you feel good about that.
 
Holy Christ. You are a true radicalized right wing nut job if you truly believe all that shit about President Obama.


DERP

Obama is a pile of shit, a criminal.

philosopher Montesquieu observed: “There can be no liberty where the legislative and executive powers are united in the same person, or body of magistrates.”


Do you remember the little gay shit declaring "I have a phone, and I have a pen?" The declaration of the two-bit dictator to ignore the constitution and engage in lawlessness.

The the little scumbag turned his criminal thug DOJ under Loretta Lynch to corrupting the 2016 presidential election. Of course she had to coordinate this all with the Clinton campaign.

{
After news broke about an airport meeting between former Attorney General Loretta Lynch and former President Bill Clinton in the midst of last year’s presidential campaign, the FBI scrambled to identify the source who leaked details about the encounter and discipline him or her, according to emails released on the FBI website on Friday.

The meeting between Lynch and Clinton took place in June 2016, while the FBI was investigating Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server. Bill Clinton boarded Lynch’s plane while it was on the tarmac at Phoenix’s Sky Harbor International Airport. The following month, then-FBI Director James Comey announced the bureau would not recommend that the Department of Justice pursue charges in the email probe. Comey has testified before Congress that Lynch asked him to refer to the probe as a “matter,” a request that made him feel “queasy.”}


http://www.newsweek.com/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-tarmac-meeting-details-comey-749995

Corruption and criminality are the underpinnings of the Stalinist democrat party.


You're as far gone as any of the far right loonies on this forum. Worse than TDaK, TD, Sailor, CFM.
And here's a note. Calling anybody who disagrees with you "a commie" or "a leftist" is a cheap cop-out. I'm a conservative. Been one my whole life. Voted Republican probably 80% of the time and I think you're a freaking loony racist radicalized right wing idiot. You can call me what you want but know this. You're a far right extremist. Not a Republican or a Conservative. We don't want your kind. You're poison. You're radioactive. Go start your own freaking party and stay away from the Republican Party.

You suck.

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You make really great arguments.

To recap, what you are saying is "hate hate RAGE HATE HATE HATE AHHHHGGGGG"

Excellent show Comrade, with articulate and well reasoned little fellas like you around, the Marxist democrats are assured to seize power in the midterms to prosecute your agenda of hatred and rage. :thup:
 
suck the shit out of a dead weasels ass you fucking Russian bot hole


tell Putin hes completely fucked



Awww Truthiness, you say the sweetest things, and with such pristine grammatical flare.

I think that both times you went through 1st grade were a benefit to you and that you should have given 2nd a try.

After all these years, it is your intellect and logic that I associate with what democrats are.

You can call me a "LAIR" now. :lol:
 
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