poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[PostmodernProphet]

2004: The housing bubble starts.

???....the housing bubble didn't start in 2004......that's when people started getting worried......by 2005 EVERYBODY except the demmycrats in the House were worried........they kept telling everyone the FED was fine.......

 

[TTQ64]

Other Presidents have have had week opponents but haven’t won by the huge electoral landslides Reagan won by. Certainly certain segments of the population loathed. You don’t win those sort of landslide elections without broad popular support. No President in my lifetime has had the level of popular support Reagan had.

The fact is there hasn’t been a “great US President” since FDR. Most of our Presidents since FDR have, in fact, served our nation and more importantly, the public institution of the Presidency, quite well.

We have been fortunate that the large majority of Presidents have served our nation well and only a handful have not.

The racist right has been cheating in elections for decades.

Reagan wasn't loved by anyone, accept those who brought into the racist right and their propaganda.

 

[cawacko]

The question I am asking is very simple and speaks to how uninformed you are; and that you're just regurgitating propaganda because you think it makes you sound smart.

Yes, people die and retire. What I'm asking you is that you're claiming there's some unfunded liability, but you won't say how far out that liability extends. You'll say how much of a liability it is, and it's increasingly clear you're just pulling that number out of thin air because, as you admitted before, it's a moving target since people retire and die at different times. So you can't actually say there is any amount of liability simply because you don't know what the liability actually is, and have presented it as a moving target. That's by design too, to allow yourself maximum room within the parameters for you to shift your argument.

You won't even say what your baseline revenue is that is determining what these liabilities are.

That's because all you're doing is regurgitating things on the board for no other purpose than to make yourself sound smarter than you really are.

You seem to thing that there's a specific day, say January 18, 2027, tht $700 billion in pension payments will be due. It doesn't work that way kid.


And it has nothing to do with me trying to be smart. This is how the system works.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

The economy didn't boom during the '80's? This is some interesting reversionist history

those were my best years in business......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That's like saying the '90's didn't boom because of the dot com bust. Hell based on your definition America's economy has never boomed

except right now......

 

[LV426]

It's amazing, I created this fake pension crisis in California. It's not a real thing because a kid in Atlanta said so.

No, you didn't create a fake crisis...you're just trying to give it life by putting your lips on its asshole and blowing.

Two simple questions that you can't and won't answer:

1. How far out are these libilities going?
2. What is the baseline revenue you're using to determine these liabilities.

The funniest thing is I'm not even posting from right wing sites. These are straight out of the state's major publications. I'll let you in on a secret. The people running the state wish they could blow this crisis off as easily as you do. Unfortunately the real world isn't as easy as an anonymous internet chat board.

So George Skelton, the guy who wrote the op ed column you linked to as you tried to pretend it was somehow the LA Times that reported it, is a Conservative pundit and columnist, not a news reporter.

 

[LV426]

???....the housing bubble didn't start in 2004......that's when people started getting worried......by 2005 EVERYBODY except the demmycrats in the House were worried........they kept telling everyone the FED was fine.......

The subprime bubble most definitely started in 2004, and it was the subprime bubble popping that brought down the economy.

And in 2005, Larry Kudlow, who is now one of Trump's Economic Advisers, said that those warning of an impending collapse of the housing market were "bubbleheads".

“Homebuilders led the stock parade this week with a fantastic 11 percent gain. This is a group that hedge funds and bubbleheads love to hate. All the bond bears have been dead wrong in predicting sky-high mortgage rates. So have all the bubbleheads who expect housing-price crashes in Las Vegas or Naples, Fla., to bring down the consumer, the rest of the economy and the entire stock market.”

You're a liar.

Kill yourself.

 

[LV426]

You seem to thing that there's a specific day, say January 18, 2027, tht $700 billion in pension payments will be due. It doesn't work that way kid.

Exactly, you lazy racist parasite, so you can't say that there are trillion dollar unfunded liabilities either.

What's the baseline revenue you're saying is causing these unfunded liabilities?

nd it has nothing to do with me trying to be smart. This is how the system works.

You don't seem to have much depth of knowledge about this.

You say there are trillion dollar liabilities, but then you say in the next fucking post that you can't peg a specific dollar amount to anything because "it doesn't work that way."

So that conversely works for your shit argument about liabilities too!

 

[PostmodernProphet]

the person most responsible for Fannie and Freddy selling subprime mortgage bundles backed by the Fed was Clinton's Treasury Secretary Rubin......

 

[TTQ64]

1. So, the tax cuts Obama did were for working people, and were deficit neutral.
2. Even with those tax cuts, it still wasn't enough to make the recovery stronger because when people get tax cuts, they don't spend them. They save them. Particularly the wealthy.
3. If you are trying to recover an economy from a collapse, increasing savings isn't going to reverse the contraction; only spending will.
4. Obama had to put those dumb tax cuts in there to secure the votes of Blue Dog democrats who were still married to that stupid dogma from the 1990's.
5. The direct spending is what created the most jobs out of the stimulus, according to the CBO and the Senate Finance Committee's study of the ARRA after it was done.
6. Shut the hell up forever.

Which is why I say, get rid of them. No compromising.

 

[cawacko]

Exactly, you lazy racist parasite, so you can't say that there are trillion dollar unfunded liabilities either.

What's the baseline revenue you're saying is causing these unfunded liabilities?




You don't seem to have much depth of knowledge about this.

You say there are trillion dollar liabilities, but then you say in the next fucking post that you can't peg a specific dollar amount to anything because "it doesn't work that way."

So that conversely works for your shit argument about liabilities too!

How about you explain how you think pensions are funded you little rich white sh*t. Nothing better than some white punk millennial from the suburbs who thinks he's the sh*t calling others racist. Go back in your basement junior.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
Of course - you'll never hold Bush accountable for anything.

by the way, I do blame him for two things......
1) not passing immigration reform that he promised.....
2) not vetoing the demmycrats budgets in 2007 and 2008....

 

[TTQ64]

No, you're an idiot because you are buying into a phony pension crisis, then playing make believe.

Do you know how liabilities work? Because a liability establishes an end date for when that liability is due, otherwise, it's just a moving target which is a nice way of saying a goalpost shift.

You won't even answer what revenue baseline you're using to determine that there even are liabilities in the first place. And you won't answer that because you can't.

Why?

Because the whole pension crisis you're exaggerating is just meant as a superficial concern to set yourself up as some thoughtful thinker, when you're everything but that.

It was created by the republicans when they were in office. It's why we kicked their asses out.

 

[LV426]

How about you explain how you think pensions are funded you little rich white sh*t. Nothing better than some white punk millennial from the suburbs who thinks he's the sh*t calling others racist. Go back in your basement junior.

I know how pensions are funded...with tax revenues and returns on the Pension Fund.

What I'm trying to figure out from you are the metrics you're using to determine these liabilities that you appear to be exaggerating for shock value, but are surprisingly deficient when it comes to substance.

It should be simple; you should be able to say that by year 20xx, there will be $X amount of pensions unfunded and that's based on a revenue baseline from 20xx of $X in revenues and Pension Fund returns a year.

But you didn't do that. Because you don't even know where to start. Because you got hooked by the headline and thought you could posture yourself because your ultimate goal is to cut benefits for workers who earned them.

You're so transparent, I could wrap you around my sandwich to keep it fresh in the fridge.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Yeah, he was such a bystander - what could the country's chief executive have possibly done? Powerless...

he called on the demmycrat majority in the house to act (since the fed is under their supervision).......they called him a racist and refused......what do you suggest he had the authority to do?........

 

[PostmodernProphet]

It was created by the republicans when they were in office..

really and what did the Republicans do that created this pension crisis?......

It's why we kicked their asses out

have you by chance noticed that we control the white house, senate, house of representatives, supreme court and most state governments?........

 

[LV426]

It was created by the republicans when they were in office. It's why we kicked their asses out.

Even if there was a crisis, which I'm not entirely convinced there is, most of it was caused by the fact that pension funds were robbed and cheated by investment firms and funds during the Bush Subprime Bubble.

 

[TTQ64]

The question I am asking is very simple and speaks to how uninformed you are; and that you're just regurgitating propaganda because you think it makes you sound smart.

Yes, people die and retire. What I'm asking you is that you're claiming there's some unfunded liability, but you won't say how far out that liability extends. You'll say how much of a liability it is, and it's increasingly clear you're just pulling that number out of thin air because, as you admitted before, it's a moving target since people retire and die at different times. So you can't actually say there is any amount of liability simply because you don't know what the liability actually is, and have presented it as a moving target. That's by design too, to allow yourself maximum room within the parameters for you to shift your argument.

You won't even say what your baseline revenue is that is determining what these liabilities are.

That's because all you're doing is regurgitating things on the board for no other purpose than to make yourself sound smarter than you really are.[/B]

That and to get rid of pensions.

 

[TTQ64]

It's amazing, I created this fake pension crisis in California. It's not a real thing because a kid in Atlanta said so.


Democrats running for California governor need to stop talking about Trump and start talking about public pensions


http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...ornia-pension-liabilities-20180118-story.html





The funniest thing is I'm not even posting from right wing sites. These are straight out of the state's major publications. I'll let you in on a secret. The people running the state wish they could blow this crisis off as easily as you do. Unfortunately the real world isn't as easy as an anonymous internet chat board.

booo booo!

You act like those sites aren't run by racist right wingers.

The Media, including print, is an arm of the right wing propaganda machine.

It's why you keep repeating the lies about CA.

 

[TTQ64]

No, you didn't create a fake crisis...you're just trying to give it life by putting your lips on its asshole and blowing.

Two simple questions that you can't and won't answer:

1. How far out are these libilities going?
2. What is the baseline revenue you're using to determine these liabilities.




So George Skelton, the guy who wrote the op ed column you linked to as you tried to pretend it was somehow the LA Times that reported it, is a Conservative pundit and columnist, not a news reporter.

tee hee hee...........