A Civil Discussion: Evolution, Science, Theology, Atheism, Climate

Jade Dragon said:
Old Bible stories are better off ignored. I some times think they were put in there to try and entice children to the faith back in the day. They have nothing on why I believe in God. I'm not a creationist fool like some. I don't know how the world came to be as it is, and I don't ignore science. Their have been many skeptics that have changed their mind to the idea of God. Like I said it's something you have to see with your own eyes. Trying to see it through convincing from another, especially if they aren't humble about it, just leads to alienation, and keeps you from seeing things on your own. All these pushy morals from hypocrites, that don't understand their own religion, doesn't help either.
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Civilization be damned, don't need no stinkin' morals, LOL.
 
Thing1 said:
I disagree w/ the basic premise, that the scientific community has opined that if their theories are true, religion must be false (if I'm reading that correctly).

Many scientists ARE religious; some have spoken about their pursuits as ultimately searching for god and an explanation for the universe. I always reject the premise that belief in evolution & abiogenesis are inconsistent w/ a belief in god & religion.
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evolution & abiogenesis are not only inconsistent with a belief in God, they are in direct conflict with Scripture. There is also no direct scientific evidence for either evolution or abiogenesis. That's a fact.
 
The Ugly Truth said:
evolution & abiogenesis are not only inconsistent with a belief in God, they are in direct conflict with Scripture. There is also no direct scientific evidence for either evolution or abiogenesis. That's a fact.
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No, they're not 'inconsistent' with a belief in god. Why bray such nonsense?

And why whine about 'direct evidence' when there's none for any god of the bible?

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.
 
Nordberg said:
Premise is flawed. God did not create anything. Man created god. Not the other way. Big difference is evolution is real. There is evidence. It does not require belief due to a lack of data.
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Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
The Bible is full of fantastical stories that have no basis in reality.
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Quote Originally Posted by Jade Dragon View Post
Old Bible stories are better off ignored.
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thank you for sharing your religious beliefs in a civil manner......
 
The Ugly Truth said:
evolution & abiogenesis are not only inconsistent with a belief in God, they are in direct conflict with Scripture. There is also no direct scientific evidence for either evolution or abiogenesis. That's a fact.
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They're not inconsistent w/ a belief in god at all. I believe in both.

Sorry. Plenty of people share those beliefs.
 
CharacterAssassin said:
Yes, gravity is a theory, fucknugget.

No, Evolution is not just 'pure theory', fucknugget.
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There is s difference in scientific theory than normal use of theory. A scientific theory simply requires one piece of evidence that does not fit it to destroy it. Then it has be thrown out or reformulated . Evolution has answered every single piece of data., It is theory like gravity is. A theory has to fit all evidence an data. It has to be predictable . Evolution is exactly that.
 
Nordberg said:
There is s difference in scientific theory than normal use of theory. A scientific theory simply requires one piece of evidence that does not fit it to destroy it. Then it has be thrown out or reformulated . Evolution has answered every single piece of data., It is theory like gravity is. A theory has to fit all evidence an data. It has to be predictable . Evolution is exactly that.
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Oh, I know. We're in complete agreement.
 
Stretch said:
Have you never seen all my posts in threads regarding religion and the Bible? Do you want me to walk into one more trap regarding my personal views just so mob rule can turn another thread into venomous diatribes having nothing to do with Berlinski?
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As I thought. You are embarrassed to admit to believing in such a childish fantasy that so obviously requires insane thinking to take as reality.
Yet that is exactly what you believe will happen.
You want to discuss Berlinski because you feel it a safe thing for you to discuss. I want to discuss the insane beliefs that you want to pretend are normal rational thinking.
 
Havana Moon said:
I doubt that you could discuss quantum mechanics. For starters, do you veer more towards the Copenhagen interpretation or de Broglie–Bohm theory? How about Bell's theory and his concept of super determinism?

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You don't impress me at all, Tom.
Go talk to a snail.
 
Stretch said:
Number of species on Earth tagged at 8.7 million. Most precise estimate yet suggests more than 80% of species still undiscovered. There are 8.7 million eukaryotic species on our planet — give or take 1.3 million.
nature.com
And, whether they have gills, feathers or human DNA they all morphed out the same set of chromosomes that came from you-do-not-know-where...OK :palm:
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You don't know where they came from either. OTOH, on a planet that is >5 billion years old, there has been plenty of time for life to arise, change, die off, arise again, evolve, die-off, arise, rinse and repeat. The fossil record clearly shows life forms that do not exist today; it also shows that the planet has suffered at least five mass extinction events. Many biologists and other scientists believe that we are in the midst of a sixth such event.

You want to read something cool? Check this out. Science is much more fascinating than you can ever imagine.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/studies/mitochondria/mitorigin.html

As for your claim that "80% of species are still undiscovered," you must have a source for this, correct? If that percentage is even close to true, the vast majority of those species are microscopic in nature, most likely.
 
Thing1 said:
They're not inconsistent w/ a belief in god at all. I believe in both.

Sorry. Plenty of people share those beliefs.
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It does not matter what you believe. What matters is what the Bible says. And it says that God created the universe in 6 days. So according to Scripture, evolution is a lie. Therefore, it is incompatible with Scripture.
 
Nordberg said:
There is s difference in scientific theory than normal use of theory. A scientific theory simply requires one piece of evidence that does not fit it to destroy it. Then it has be thrown out or reformulated . Evolution has answered every single piece of data., It is theory like gravity is. A theory has to fit all evidence an data. It has to be predictable . Evolution is exactly that.
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BWAHAHAHA! You actually believe that? You poor fool.
 
Leonthecat said:
As I thought. You are embarrassed to admit to believing in such a childish fantasy that so obviously requires insane thinking to take as reality.
Yet that is exactly what you believe will happen.
You want to discuss Berlinski because you feel it a safe thing for you to discuss. I want to discuss the insane beliefs that you want to pretend are normal rational thinking.
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Yeah, right. As if you and everyone else here have no clue that I believe in eternal life. I should have known many here are unable to 'get' the message in the OP. It's not so much about having differing views...it was about HOW some out there in the world can actually DISCUSS differing views. Obviously it wasn't a 'safe' enough topic for others to discuss.

I agree with maybe half of Berlinski's actual views. What I was impressed with was his presentation and method of logic and presentation. This was the wrong forum for that. My bad.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You don't know where they came from either. OTOH, on a planet that is >5 billion years old, there has been plenty of time for life to arise, change, die off, arise again, evolve, die-off, arise, rinse and repeat. The fossil record clearly shows life forms that do not exist today; it also shows that the planet has suffered at least five mass extinction events. Many biologists and other scientists believe that we are in the midst of a sixth such event.

You want to read something cool? Check this out. Science is much more fascinating than you can ever imagine.

http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~bioslabs/studies/mitochondria/mitorigin.html

As for your claim that "80% of species are still undiscovered," you must have a source for this, correct? If that percentage is even close to true, the vast majority of those species are microscopic in nature, most likely.
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Don't tell me what I don't know. Thank-you. I put the source there........nature.com
 
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