It is pointless to exchange with a gun hugger on gun reform,

Sirthinksalot said:
I don't recall posting such. Any infringement of our rights will be fought tooth and nail, through our representatives, the courts and at the ballot box. I was pointing out your inability to grasp the difference between an insult and a promise. Nice deflection and straw man argument, though.
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Your right to carry a gun isn't in danger and you said nothing before this about reps, courts or ballots.The insult is to those of us who believe we need to address gun violence as a growing problem, while the pro-gun people can only respond with slogans.
 
christiefan915 said:
Your right to carry a gun isn't in danger and you said nothing before this about reps, courts or ballots.The insult is to those of us who believe we need to address gun violence as a growing problem, while the pro-gun people can only respond with slogans.
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Because there is no effective solution anyone has suggested. Some think if we just pass a law that is enough whether it is effective or not---it sounds good, appears as if we have "acted decisively," and we "beat the NRA."
 
Flash said:
Because there is no effective solution anyone has suggested. Some think if we just pass a law that is enough whether it is effective or not---it sounds good, appears as if we have "acted decisively," and we "beat the NRA."
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Do you have a suggestion?
 
archives said:
That wasn't an insult, truth, have you ever seen an arguement supporting guns that falls outside of the parameters I noted above?

And gun huggers don't want to address guns, conservatives are more interested in spreading guns, look at the gun carry reciprocal legislation they just snuck thru the House, they have no interest in any measure of any kind that could help alleviate gun violence or school shootings if it means taking a serious look at regulating weapons, weapons of any kind

As I said, pointless
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glad you finally learned something.

FROM OUR COLD DEAD HANDS
 
christiefan915 said:
I've read the gun threads and the biggest number of comments from gunners are like "oh snap, the liberals will try and take my guns away. Outa my cold, dead hands."

Where is the sympathy for the victims and their families? Where is the acknowledgement that everybody isn't as enamored of guns as they are?
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I acknowledge that you aren't as enamored with guns.

Happy?

Does this make a difference for you?

In spite of such acknowledgement, I am for more guns, and more weapon proliferation. everyone should have a gun.
 
when I said that the deaths are a miniscule amount, that isn't hyperbole. It literally is a very small amount when you take into account the population size and the number of guns we have. 30k each year is literally nothing. Totally worth it 100%.
 
Sirthinksalot said:
The Constitution is more important than any individual's life. Sad that you don't understand that.
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Nice to see someone finally admit the blood of those innocent children is on their hands.

You sir, are to be commended for admitting you value an inanimate object designed for killing more than you value a human being's life.
 
christiefan915 said:
Do you have a suggestion?
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No. Any law to be effective would have to be really tough and that would not pass Congress. The assault weapons ban a few years ago had so many loopholes it had no real effect. I didn't understand why pro-gun people didn't like it since they could still easily get whatever gun they wanted. I didn't understand why gun-control people liked it since it did not really control anything. It was largely symbolic which is true of a lot of politics. Every year several thousand people get denied guns during background checks and there are virtually no prosecutions.

I just know several of the proposals seem useless--background checks at gun shows (most sales are already by licensed dealers), ban assault weapons (they are only semi-automatic rifles). Most of the regulations suggested already exist in various states and they are no more effective than states with fewer regulations.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Nice to see someone finally admit the blood of those innocent children is on their hands.

You sir, are to be commended for admitting you value an inanimate object designed for killing more than you value a human being's life.
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So either desire to ban guns or blood is on your hands?
 
christiefan915 said:
Your right to carry a gun isn't in danger and you said nothing before this about reps, courts or ballots.The insult is to those of us who believe we need to address gun violence as a growing problem, while the pro-gun people can only respond with slogans.
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If you have a solution that doesn't involve further erosion of the 2nd amendment rights of the law abiding, I'm all for it.
 
leaningright said:
I haven’t cited a single NRA talking point while discussing the issue of guns (at least not one that I’m aware of) recently. I am simply trying to highlight that the only fool proof (or full proof if one prefers) way to eliminate stuff like this is to implement European type of gun laws which almost eliminates private gun ownership and makes it so that only the wealthier of society can own them.
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Then how do you explain Switzerland which has a high degree of private ownership of weapons?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Nice to see someone finally admit the blood of those innocent children is on their hands.

You sir, are to be commended for admitting you value an inanimate object designed for killing more than you value a human being's life.
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I value the rights enumerated in the Constitution, which are far more important than any individual's life. You can certainly disagree, most liberals hate the Constitution. There is no blood on my hands because of that. Your inability to comprehend a very straightforward statement is indeed pathetic.
 
leaningright said:
Absolutely. These shootings are terrible. If people think that gun owners don’t think that way they’re nuts. But gun owners also know that with every one of these events comes the cry to ban guns so they (we) double down on our stance and defense of this cherished right.
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No one is, nor ever has, called for banning guns, the plea is for regulating guns, so such as a eighteen year old kid who can't get a beer can walk in to a gun store and legally purchase a AK15.

What you are doing is echoing a NRA talking point
 
Sirthinksalot said:
I value the rights enumerated in the Constitution, which are far more important than any individual's life. You can certainly disagree, most liberals hate the Constitution. There is no blood on my hands because of that. Your inability to comprehend a very straightforward statement is indeed pathetic.
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You won't discuss even the most minimal regulation of guns, so yes, the blood of every child gunned down by a sicko is on your hands.

CONGRATS!!
 
archives said:
No one is, nor ever has, called for banning guns, the plea is for regulating guns, so such as a eighteen year old kid who can't get a beer can walk in to a gun store and legally purchase a AK15.

What you are doing is echoing a NRA talking point
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How is that a NRA talking point? You think LR, a long time gun owner, doesn't have his own thoughts?
 
archives said:
No one is, nor ever has, called for banning guns, the plea is for regulating guns, so such as a eighteen year old kid who can't get a beer can walk in to a gun store and legally purchase a AK15.

What you are doing is echoing a NRA talking point
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Awwww now, you see what you did there?

You tried to use "the truth" and JPP Righties just don't do "the truth".

Of course every JPP Liberal wants to confiscate all guns everywhere!

Who cares that you can't find a single instance of anyone saying anything even remotely close to it.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Awwww now, you see what you did there?

You tried to use "the truth" and JPP Righties just don't do "the truth".

Of course every JPP Liberal wants to confiscate all guns everywhere!

Who cares that you can't find a single instance of anyone saying anything even remotely close to it.
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TTQ64 said she wanted guns banned yesterday and Owl liked her comment.
 
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