Alabama Has The Worst Poverty In The Developed World

Cypress said:
Good points.
I get the impression a lot of rightwingers believe learning from other countries is a sign of weakness.
I think we could learn a lot from Europeans, as well as others while at the same time recognizing the differences inherent in the United States.

At the same time, I will keep an open mind about what we could learn about from socially conservative, traditionalist, and religiously conservative countries. I'm all ears if a conservative wants to explain what we could learn from Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Somalia.
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Look at all the violence against Jews in Europe since the Jerusalem announcement. And look at their issues with Muslims immigrating. Europe hasn't exactly been a model of progressivism.

And I know you weren't intending it this way but the last three countries are Muslim countries so you were speaking out against the basic tenants of Islam and how they run their countries.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
It has seemed to me in my lifetime that our human ability to look ahead and measure cause and effect has dwindled -- or been stifled. Out our front windows we see Kichi-gami (Lake Superior) every day, bar the fogs/rains/snows. It's not as polluted as our Great Lakes further East, but it too contains mercury. We are cautioned even up here in the UP not to eat certain fish caught from inland lakes if we are a child or mother who is or might become pregnant. Within an hour's drive of here are breathtaking lakes surrounded by low mountains covered with firs. The lakes are poison because of mine tailings.

The takers, the looters, the moochers are those who have raped and pillaged our planet.
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Yep...it's sad. One can only wonder how the bounty used to be for the indigenous people before we got here?

I'm an avid fisherman, and fish eater. Working around the mercury issue is a challenge. I opt to target trout that are stocked in the lakes, or the ones that we put into a private mountaintop lake that I frequent. Stocked fish tend to have less mercury, as they haven't been in the lakes as long as the natives. The mercury isn't even removable, like other toxins that reside in the fatty tissue. Mercury is in the muscle tissue.


Our policies in this country revolve around profit first, and everything else a distant whim. Anyone who speaks to the inherent issues that correspond to the heinous pro business/anti environment policies we have, is dismissed as anti business. Or they get a lecture from ananoise about GDP, deep state, blah blah blah.
 
cawacko said:
Look at all the violence against Jews in Europe since the Jerusalem announcement. And look at their issues with Muslims immigrating. Europe hasn't exactly been a model of progressivism.

And I know you weren't intending it this way but the last three countries are Muslim countries so you were speaking out against the basic tenants of Islam and how they run their countries.
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I thought it was crystal clear that I thought we could learn some things from the Europeans, without becoming them.
I was unaware that anything I wrote even remotely suggested we emulate the worst traits of European nationalism and rightwing xenophobia.
I think Europe could learn things from the United States.
 
the Republican Party, is on course to pass a tax bill before the end of the year that will increase the federal deficit by $1 trillion in 10 years--costs that the GOP says will be offset by reducing an already-weakened social safety net.
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horseshit..what kind of garbage is Cypress huffing tonight?
 
it is beyond hilarious/ ironic/ intellectual dishonesty to hear Dems. complain about a $1T addition to the debt
over 10 years!
*It's like Obama never existed* GDP growth will take care of that and more
 
cawacko said:
Let me help you out my friend since I read the Polifact story where you got this information. These counties are in states that voted for Mitt Romney in 2012. It says nothing about areas that Republicans control. They could all have Democratic Governors and local leaders.

The Polifact article specifically goes into what I said, urban poverty is offset by adjacent wealth which throws the numbers off. So you're trying to sell a dishonest story.
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i get that point, and it's a good one. There is something unique though about Deep South poverty.

I was absolutely shocked the first time I was in Mississippi.
If it wasn't tin roofs, it was dilapidated housing, and of course a bunch of cars that had seen better days up on blocks.
I don't think parts of the south have recovered from Reconstruction.

But then you see huge mansions and wealth disparity - it's juxtaposed in a striking manner everywhere
 
cawacko said:
In the Drmocratic primary even Hillary Clinton said to Bernie Sanders "we are not Norway."

Let those countries pay their "fair share" of military expenditures and not rely on the U.S. and let's see how they do.
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working on it. At least NATO countries are kicking in more since Trump made a big deal of it.

Not that it helps our worldwide presence costs,
but any less money sucked into duplicative Cold War 2 spending is my metric of cutting military spending.

* just how many tank battalions do we really need in Poland? *
 
noise said:
i get that point, and it's a good one. There is something unique though about Deep South poverty.

I was absolutely shocked the first time I was in Mississippi.
If it wasn't tin roofs, it was dilapidated housing, and of course a bunch of cars that had seen better days up on blocks.
I don't think parts of the south have recovered from Reconstruction.

But then you see huge mansions and wealth disparity - it's juxtaposed in a striking manner everywhere
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I in no way discount Deep South or Appalachia poverty. It is very real. BAC was just trying so hard to argue a partisan point that he was ignoring the obvious which is rural areas don't have the adjoining wealth urban areas of poverty do which distort the wealth in each county. It's just a basic economic fact but when one is thinking in only a partisan political mindset for something it's easy to lose sight of the big picture.
 
cawacko said:
I in no way discount Deep South or Appalachia poverty. It is very real. BAC was just trying so hard to argue a partisan point that he was ignoring the obvious which is rural areas don't have the adjoining wealth urban areas of poverty do which distort the wealth in each county. It's just a basic economic fact but when one is thinking in only a partisan political mindset for something it's easy to lose sight of the big picture.
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i think there must be a term for that.
It reminds me of Beltway cities like Baltimore that are dead poor, encircled by extremely wealthy counties
 
noise said:
i think there must be a term for that.
It reminds me of Beltway cities like Baltimore that are dead poor, encircled by extremely wealthy counties
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I don't know if Baltimore is different but in SF the city is also the country so we have the wealth and poverty side by side in the same county.
 
cawacko said:
I don't know if Baltimore is different but in SF the city is also the country so we have the wealth and poverty side by side in the same county.
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yes. most cites are not self-incorportated, they are part of a county. Balto is self incorporated
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Particularly for seniors, it was quite effective.

At some point in time intact families were penalized for being intact; I don't know if this is still the case or not. If it is, that needs to go. People will rise out of poverty much faster if the parents are enabled by society to stay together with the kids, and work together. If that means we have to temporarily subsidize daycare for any small children, I'm good with that. Jobs training and jobs-finding programs are a necessity. I think one issue with this is the number of fathers (and some mothers as well) who have criminal records. It's extremely difficult for them to find decent paying work. What do we do with them?

We've already made "welfare" a temporary thing; there are requirements to find work.
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You sure do have a lot on your mind. How do you sleep at night with all of your worries
 
It is heartwarming seeing all of this “compassion” coming from our liberal friends.

One thing to ponder is that they all presume that people living in so called poverty are unhappy.

But it is good to see them be so compassionate with OTHER people’s money. It sure does give them a sense of moral superiority doesn’t it?


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Quote Originally Posted by noise
"it is beyond hilarious/ ironic/ intellectual dishonesty to hear Dems. complain about a $1T addition to the debt
over 10 years!"

"Amen, I'm like, really? Gr #118
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No doubt.

Evidently that's at least in part due to a chronic inability among Republicans to perform the modest intellectual exercise of applying context.

Republicans LOVE to criticize Obama for $spending to help rescue the U.S. (and thus global) economy from the Bush recession.

Those shrill Republican critics tend to fall silent when the subject of the Bush / Cheney / Paulson $700 $Billion $TARP warrants mention.

How much more did Obama spend on economic recovery than Bush spent? 2:1?

So if Republicans were objective, wouldn't they proportion their criticism of these 2 presidents for such deficit spending, in a similar 2:1 ratio?

We're on page #8 in this thread.
How many partisan Republican posts in these 8 pages have been composed of criticism of Presidents Obama and Bush in that ratio?

Hypocrites!!
Quote Originally Posted by noise
"it is beyond hilarious/ ironic/ intellectual dishonesty to hear Dems. complain about a $1T addition to the debt
over 10 years!"

"Amen, I'm like, really? Gr #118
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Only the most frail of intellectual lightweights could fail to understand without prompting that the context has changed. Thanks to the expert professional leadership of President Obama, the Bush recession is over. Keynesian deficits are no longer appropriate.
 
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