Jerry Jones and the entire Cowboys team take the knee

Thing1 said:
"I won't stand 'to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people'"

Not sure what the big revelation is w/ that.
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To each his own but a lot of people do take pride in the flag. So we hear it's not about the flag but as Kap clearly said it is.
 
cawacko said:
To each his own but a lot of people do take pride in the flag. So we hear it's not about the flag but as Kap clearly said it is.
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Fine. Can anyone explain why that can't be a personal thing?

I love America. The flag is a piece of cloth to me. I was actually kind of embarrassed when Congress took up flag-burning amendments a few times.

I don't disrespect that it's more than a piece of cloth for some. But why should Kaep's view hurt their view?
 
Althea said:
Yet.

No owners wanted to take a chance on Vick either, before Philly did. Fans forget all about their pre conceived notions, once their sports team puts up numbers. The first time Kap rushes for 60 yards, and puts up 3 T.D.s in a game, the fans will hop on board.
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where do you think that will be?.....
 
Thing1 said:
Fine. Can anyone explain why that can't be a personal thing?

I love America. The flag is a piece of cloth to me. I was actually kind of embarrassed when Congress took up flag-burning amendments a few times.

I don't disrespect that it's more than a piece of cloth for some. But why should Kaep's view hurt their view?
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Why do people feel it is disrespectful for people to kneel? Especially those who have fought for the flag? You don't have to agree with the opinion but I don't think you need it explained to you why they feel that way.
 
cawacko said:
Why do people feel it is disrespectful for people to kneel? Especially those who have fought for the flag? You don't have to agree with the opinion but I don't think you need it explained to you why they feel that way.
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And I've heard other vets say that they fought for the freedom to protest, not for a piece of cloth, and take equal offense to a President trying to shut that down.

Which is why this should be an individual thing. To me, it's no different from "PC" complaints. People going out of their way to be offended. Live & let live.
 
Thing1 said:
And I've heard other vets say that they fought for the freedom to protest, not for a piece of cloth, and take equal offense to a President trying to shut that down.

Which is why this should be an individual thing. To me, it's no different from "PC" complaints. People going out of their way to be offended. Live & let live.
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"President trying to shut that down".

Really?

What a sanctimonious pillock you are.
 
Thing1 said:
I said it yesterday - implying you don't like the "guys who were captured" is disrespecting our military. Tweeting negative comments that could undermine an ongoing military effort is disrespecting our military. Giving away confidential intelligence information because you're bragging about what you know in a meeting is disrespecting our military.

There is so much hypocrisy here that it's tiring to even start to scratch the surface. I see so much more patriotism in people who are willing to put themselves out there to take a stand for injustice than I do in guys like Trump who wave the flag & give it lip service, all while acting in a way that betrays those phony platitudes.
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This is true.
 
Thing1 said:
And I've heard other vets say that they fought for the freedom to protest, not for a piece of cloth, and take equal offense to a President trying to shut that down.

Which is why this should be an individual thing. To me, it's no different from "PC" complaints. People going out of their way to be offended. Live & let live.
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I specifically quoted Kap and addressed the flag issue. Protesting Trump is a separate discussion
 
cawacko said:
I specifically quoted Kap and addressed the flag issue. Protesting Trump is a separate discussion
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Just expanding the discussion. It's more than the Trump protest; I think it's a mistake to view the military & those who support the military as some sort of monolithic entity. I'm sure many in the military supported Kaep's initial protest, as well. The traditional view is that those folks would be up in arms over any anthem protest, but - while not having stats right now - I don't think it would be surprising if a significant # of soldiers and vets felt the same as Kaep about the treatment of the black community, and also that there are others who celebrate the protest instead of taking knee-jerk offense to it.
 
Thing1 said:
Just expanding the discussion. It's more than the Trump protest; I think it's a mistake to view the military & those who support the military as some sort of monolithic entity. I'm sure many in the military supported Kaep's initial protest, as well. The traditional view is that those folks would be up in arms over any anthem protest, but - while not having stats right now - I don't think it would be surprising if a significant # of soldiers and vets felt the same as Kaep about the treatment of the black community, and also that there are others who celebrate the protest instead of taking knee-jerk offense to it.
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The first thing I wrote:

"To each his own but a lot of people do take pride in the flag."

I don't believe that to be incorrect
 
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