The Confederate origins of Memorial Day
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Buckly J. Ewer
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It may have escaped you but you're a nigger. There is a difference between that and a black.
Pretty soon EVERYTHING will be deemed racist/offensive/bigoted/-phobic.
You won't even be able to leave your house without offending someone. Just the mere presence a white person is offensive to blacks at college campuses.
Then the left will have their ultimate 1984 Orwellian PC utopia. Where everyone wears the same outfit, marches in straight lines, looks straight ahead at the floor.
This way no one can be offended.
You won't even be able to leave your house without offending someone. Just the mere presence a white person is offensive to blacks at college campuses.
Then the left will have their ultimate 1984 Orwellian PC utopia. Where everyone wears the same outfit, marches in straight lines, looks straight ahead at the floor.
This way no one can be offended.
Airstrip One
Completely Effed
Yeah.
people would still be different color : )
Getin the ring
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The comedy of this whole confederate whitewash is it is all being done in the name of political correctness.
Does it not stand out that these monuments, the flag, etc have been there for well over a century, we came through desegregation, the civil rights acts. elected a black president, or half breed, but he wants to forget his whiteness too so that's fine, first black President it is. And now suddenly black people find these symbols so reprehensible they want to rip them down like legal, organized vandals.
And liberal white people suddenly act like they care too, like they just discovered oil in their back yards.
Look, if the vengeance aspect of this crusade makes a race feel vilified, as if someone alive today was responsible for slavery, then fine, have at it.
I just find it sad, for them, and their lack of self respect nearly 200 years later. As if one of them was a slave.
Does it not stand out that these monuments, the flag, etc have been there for well over a century, we came through desegregation, the civil rights acts. elected a black president, or half breed, but he wants to forget his whiteness too so that's fine, first black President it is. And now suddenly black people find these symbols so reprehensible they want to rip them down like legal, organized vandals.
And liberal white people suddenly act like they care too, like they just discovered oil in their back yards.
Look, if the vengeance aspect of this crusade makes a race feel vilified, as if someone alive today was responsible for slavery, then fine, have at it.
I just find it sad, for them, and their lack of self respect nearly 200 years later. As if one of them was a slave.
Thus...."freedom of speech" applies only to those they share an opinion with ...but not to speech they assume to be offensive? Now define "fascism" for us. Typical leftist....selective freedoms. They have the right to approach and rebuke anyone flying those colors personally....but no, they are to damn cowardly to face down their claimed enemies of expression...they demand the right to selectively silence those whom they FEAR. That's a real Communist point of view.....they require a tribe to stand with while they publicly remain hidden within a violent faceless anonymous MOB.
Anyone with any type of honest perceptive abilities of cognition can see the LEFTIST TYPE on news broadcasts almost on a daily basis....just view any of the riots.... described by the left wing propaganda extension of the central government ...the media, as protests, and the true face of the left can be seen within the mob with no ambiguity whatsoever. They are being programmed from birth not to think and reason for themselves...but to worship THE STATE in place of the creator...they honor the created instead of the power of the creator.
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I don't understand your comment about the Wehrmacht. It was formed by Hitler and its members committed numerous war crimes and atrocities. They were certainly Nazi sympathizers if not card carrying members.
At the party's high point around 35% of the population were Nazis. Nationalism was what the party was all about. I'm sure you've seen pics and film of Nazi rallies with all the fervent supporters. Maybe these people turned a blind eye to what was really going on, I don't know, but if they supported Hitler's nationalism they were complicit in his actions.
Exactly. Their thinking the cause was honorable doesn't mean it really was. It just means those soldiers were hiding behind a smoke screen and denying the true motivations of Hitler.
the Wehrmacht is the 3 German branches of forces, but when talking about Nazi's, it's set aside from the Waffen-SS or the officer corps..I guess the equivalent as we use it is our "grunts"..
In one sense the entire nation of Germany was responsible for the rise of Hitler ( and because of the terms of the Treaty of Versailles) but you can understand how devestated the county was,and that caused the rise of nationalism
But the "true believers"(my words) were in it for more then patriotism/nationalism..
Those were the Nazi's that bought in the Third Reich, or Aryan Master race.
My contention is while Naziism at it's peak did run through all of German society, most of the people didn't really care about the ideology -just the prospect of a return of Germany to it's leadership role in Europe.
And those regular Germans- the grunts, the nationalists without the fervor of Naxzism were the great mass of ordinary German forces -what is referred to as Wehrmacht
Trying to recover from the punative terms of the Treaty of Versailles was basic German motivation.
I assume you know about bread lines,billions of marks needed to buy anything rampant unemployment etc.?
Hitler was a vessel for change..That's how he got to power -of course he fed off the darker instincts of Germans too but his political base with ordinary German people was recover from WWI's peace terms
Like you I've read quite a lot about Nazi Germany so yes, I know about Versailles, the breadlines, inflation etc.
There was also the anti-Semitism, the concept of Aryan superiority, and the concept of Lebensraum. Hitler fed into the people's fears for years. He also considered the press "an enemy of the people." Most Germans supported Hitler and turned a blind eye to his atrocities. Goebbels's secretary just died a few months ago and she had no guilt for her years covering up Nazi crimes. She fell back on the standard excuse: "I didn't know anything, I was just a (typist, clerk, soldier, etc.)" Too many people soothed their conscience with excuses.
one thing we must do in looking at history, is to put ourselves there.. that place and time.
Germany went from a national power to a basket case..it was primed for a strongman like Hitler to lead them out of the wilderness.
Too bad they got a pyschotic monster in Hitler
Well trump was saying how bad it was here in the USA & how only he could fix it & make us all great again.......??
Wrong. The Wehrmact was the German Army. The other two branches, Navy and Air Force were the Kreigsmarine and the Luftwaffe, respectively. So, now I have to question how knowledgeable you actually are about the context of World War 2 and Nazi Germany, given you did not know that fundamental fact.
You would have to either be Russian, or intimately know Russian people to know the holocaust of death and suffering the Wehrmact inflicted on the civilians of the Soviet Union. They were not some professional army living up to high standards of conduct and judiciously following the rules of war. They fully intended to annihilate the Slavic people, and either kill them, enslave them, or drive them into Siberia. I have been to villages in Byelorussia where memories of torment, tragedy, and inhumanity is burned deep into the memories of elderly residents. They remember all too well what the Wehrmact did to the Slavic people of eastern Europe.
It is true that not all Germans civilians or German soliders were enamored of Hitler. But that is a very low bar of morality and ethical conduct to achieve. The very lowest. The thing that makes Germans ashamed to this very day is that precious few of them tried to help their Jewish neighbors, and turned a blind eye to how their military was treating Slavic prisoners of war. Moral cowardice in the face of evil is never, ever, under any circumstances looked upon favorably by history.
The analogy between the Confederate Army and the Wehrmact is that both of these entities went down in history as forces that were used for evil. And while many soldiers were just normal human beings trying to survive, it does not excuse their participation is some of the greatest crimes against humanity this world has ever known.
^ you are right about the 3 German forces. I'm not from Eastern Europe or of Slavic descent as I think you are.
We all know the way the war in the east was waged. Freeze out or starve out the enemy by the German forces.
That what was 6 month siege of Stalingrad was. attrition. Russia lost more then any nation by far if i recall.
But that bled the German army into retreat.
Nazi Germany rose up out of desperation led by a mad man who became the worst dictator in the history of the planet -even more then Stalin.
I'm sure looking back Germans wished they had done something different, but with the Nazi's in charge
and the country locked into their vision -the tides of events swept the country into war.
Nazi Germany was born out of a mad man's vision, who used genocide and war crimes.
The German soldiers in Russia inflicted brutal war, under brutal conditions, as it was"all out war"
They don't don't get excused but they are understandable by rational thought , except for their actual war crimes
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The Confederacy wasn't using war crimes, with the exception of Andersonville- and that only in the final year of the war as they ran out of prison space.
Comparing the Confederate Army to the German or even Soviet Union troops by brutality and war crimes is false.
They do not compare.
We all know the way the war in the east was waged. Freeze out or starve out the enemy by the German forces.
That what was 6 month siege of Stalingrad was. attrition. Russia lost more then any nation by far if i recall.
But that bled the German army into retreat.
Nazi Germany rose up out of desperation led by a mad man who became the worst dictator in the history of the planet -even more then Stalin.
I'm sure looking back Germans wished they had done something different, but with the Nazi's in charge
and the country locked into their vision -the tides of events swept the country into war.
Nazi Germany was born out of a mad man's vision, who used genocide and war crimes.
The German soldiers in Russia inflicted brutal war, under brutal conditions, as it was"all out war"
They don't don't get excused but they are understandable by rational thought , except for their actual war crimes
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The Confederacy wasn't using war crimes, with the exception of Andersonville- and that only in the final year of the war as they ran out of prison space.
Comparing the Confederate Army to the German or even Soviet Union troops by brutality and war crimes is false.
They do not compare.
