zappasguitar
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Am I surprised ringy dingy ignored the one post in the entire thread that blew a gigantic hole in his claim regarding the reasons behind the civil war.
The Confederate origins of Memorial Day
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Am I surprised ringy dingy ignored the one post in the entire thread that blew a gigantic hole in his claim regarding the reasons behind the civil war.
Airstrip One
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Cry me a river. Americans must have made life so utterly miserable for southern whites with their industrial expansionism.
Just who is/are "they"? According to your logic or the lack thereof.....none of the history from the 1st revolutionary war of independence should be maintained because it was written due to "treason". The historical truth concludes only with one fact....the second revolution (i.e., the supposed civil war) was not engaged because of the institution of slavery as slavery existed due to the constitutional states bill of rights (the majority of the people wanted slavery to be legal). The war was never about slavery...it was about the federal government attempting to usurp the states bill of rights and its guarantees.
In fact Slavery only became an issue when Abe Lincoln made it an issue when he ran for a second term. Given time....slavery would have ended due to the same reason it ended in the north....economic GREED. When the south became as advanced with the modern industrial technologies found in the north...slavery would have ceased to be an issue because anyone still accepting slavery as a means of economic prosperity would have been left behind by those who adapted to a changing mechanical and technical business environment.....hand labor would never have been able to produce the way machine labor can...anyone using such antiquated ideas about human labor would have soon gone the way of the dodo bird.
The north all but destroyed the basic tenants of the States bill of Rights and the Constitution based upon the principal of Republican Representation as guaranteed in article four, section four clause one of the US CONSTITUTION.
Slavery would have ended when society evolved to accept the documented truth that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, just as it ended in England. The north dumped the constitution and forced its OPINION upon the entire United States of America. FASCISM personified.....they did it because they could, not because of a superior military or personal bravery, as the north suffered far greater loss of life than did the south....the north forced their lifestyle upon the south because they were RICHER and could afford to use human life like fodder as documented.
It makes me laugh to think just how many human lives were lost by the north because they used their troops like disposable pawns. To think that some today attempt to claim they were on the humanitarian side of that conflict. Its pure BS if human life is the measuring stick for humanitarianism. Just like the left claiming to be humanitarians when they kill millions of human babies in the womb each and every year......proving that human life is the furthest thing from their definition of Humanitarianism. They claim that unborn human lives are not worthy of the protection of their society.
In fact Slavery only became an issue when Abe Lincoln made it an issue when he ran for a second term. Given time....slavery would have ended due to the same reason it ended in the north....economic GREED. When the south became as advanced with the modern industrial technologies found in the north...slavery would have ceased to be an issue because anyone still accepting slavery as a means of economic prosperity would have been left behind by those who adapted to a changing mechanical and technical business environment.....hand labor would never have been able to produce the way machine labor can...anyone using such antiquated ideas about human labor would have soon gone the way of the dodo bird.
The north all but destroyed the basic tenants of the States bill of Rights and the Constitution based upon the principal of Republican Representation as guaranteed in article four, section four clause one of the US CONSTITUTION.
Slavery would have ended when society evolved to accept the documented truth that ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL, just as it ended in England. The north dumped the constitution and forced its OPINION upon the entire United States of America. FASCISM personified.....they did it because they could, not because of a superior military or personal bravery, as the north suffered far greater loss of life than did the south....the north forced their lifestyle upon the south because they were RICHER and could afford to use human life like fodder as documented.
It makes me laugh to think just how many human lives were lost by the north because they used their troops like disposable pawns. To think that some today attempt to claim they were on the humanitarian side of that conflict. Its pure BS if human life is the measuring stick for humanitarianism. Just like the left claiming to be humanitarians when they kill millions of human babies in the womb each and every year......proving that human life is the furthest thing from their definition of Humanitarianism. They claim that unborn human lives are not worthy of the protection of their society.
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blackascoal
The Force is With Me
the browning of America need not equate the dumbing down of America to the simplistic nonsense you post.
Do you even understand that not all German soldiers were Nazi's?
Most of the wermacht fought for nationalism, the same thing Confederates fought for -their states..
They didn't look at the evils of slavery, because it was baked into the founders, and part of Antebellum South.
That's not to excuse them - afterall ignorance of evil still leaves evil, but the individual soldiers and even the generals were not politicians or philosophers for the most part. They simply were answering the call
to defend their state, and Yankee imperialism ( whatever that was called -im not up on the rhetoric)..
Recall not even Abe Lincoln wanted to fight a war over slavery -only the secession.
Bless his soul for the Emancipation Proclamation, but you have to seriously wonder if the Civil War
didn't happen, if he would have freed the slaves.
When you look back at history through today's values that anything - even the soldiers of the Confederacy-
were "racists"- you are not understanding the complexities, and the truths about the brave men on both sides.
They respected each other in battle as much as they were opposed to each other.
we should give them that same deference. It's who they were.
1938 Civil War reunion -Cemetery Ridge
Not sure why you're still talking to me about this issue.
Confederate soldiers were rat-fuck monsters who deserved to die in the most horrific manner possible .. and if you think non-white people feel the same as you do about the confederacy .. again, incredibly delusional. ALL that nasty shit will come down.
... and, in case you missed it, that nasty shit will come down because corporate sponsors will demand it. SEE North and South Carolina.
Stop pretending that you know more about history than anyone else. Seriously, you don't. You're a Trump supporter, thus, analysis is not your forte'. Your 'analysis' only points out the perceived wrongs on the other side of the fence. That's not analysis.
I'll say it again .. I don't care what you think or feel about the confederacy, you have no power to stop what is already taking place. Bottom line.
I don't have a problem with putting Confederate statues, etc. in privately-funded museums. Kinda like the Creation Museum.
This is how some people still live, over 150 years after the Civil War. These are the types who still support the Confederacy.
May 31 (Reuters) - A noose, a symbol of racial lynching, was found on Wednesday on the floor of an exhibit about segregation at the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C., Smithsonian Institution officials said...
Bunch said museum officials do not know who was responsible and told staff the incident "is a stark reminder why the work you do is so important."
The incident comes less than a week after a noose was found hanging from a tree outside the nearby Hirshhorn Museum, Smithsonian.com, an affiliated news organization, said.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ican-american-history-museum-in-d-c/22120235/
May 31 (Reuters) - A noose, a symbol of racial lynching, was found on Wednesday on the floor of an exhibit about segregation at the National Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington, D.C., Smithsonian Institution officials said...
Bunch said museum officials do not know who was responsible and told staff the incident "is a stark reminder why the work you do is so important."
The incident comes less than a week after a noose was found hanging from a tree outside the nearby Hirshhorn Museum, Smithsonian.com, an affiliated news organization, said.
https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ican-american-history-museum-in-d-c/22120235/
blackascoal
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LeBron James' Los Angeles home vandalized with racist slur
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) — LeBron James wanted to be with his family, to hug his wife and three kids back in Ohio.
Visibly shaken by an event he couldn't control, Cleveland's star struggled Wednesday to focus on his seventh straight NBA Finals or the Golden State Warriors.
For the game's best player, basketball was overshadowed by racism.
On the eve of the Cavaliers and Warriors meeting for the third straight year, police said James' mansion in Los Angeles was vandalized in the morning with a racial slur spray painted onto the front gate.
Nearly a year since he sat at the same podium inside Oracle Arena and addressed Muhammad Ali's impact as an activist following the heavyweight champion's death, James discussed the daily challenges of being black in the U.S.
"No matter how much money you have, no matter how famous you are, no matter how many people admire you, being black in America is tough," James said. "We have a long way to go for us as a society and for us as African-Americans until we feel equal in America. But my family is safe, and that's what's important."
According to police, an unidentified person spray painted the N-word on the front gate of James' $20 million home in the Brentwood neighborhood Wednesday morning. Capt. Patricia Sandoval, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Police Department, said neither James nor his family was in their secondary home at the time.
http://www.goskagit.com/news/state/...cle_08d332fe-6792-5f21-ab3d-d9ce014257fa.html
Again, all that nasty confederate shit, including monuments to rat-fuck soldiers, must and will come down.
Pathetic.
And of course we know the confederate flag is not a mere harmless symbol of "southern pride".
It was of course used as a political symbol of white superiority. And everyone knows it.
ahh. the Civil War was fake news?
I meant a museum that can be used as a bad example. In this case to show man's inhumanity to man.
Greatest number of people killed in any war.
Like the Holocaust Museum. And educational facility dedicated to teaching future generations of the evils of the Confederacy, their treason for attacking the United States armed forces, and their moral depravity in worshipping and defending a slave economy.
because you keep responding to my posts ? lol.
I appreciate your perspective brother, but I'm not going to support revisionism or whitewashing Confederate
( and for that matter Union) soldiers battles and bravery..afterall the point i keep making and you just rant over about is the soldiers themselves were honorable, and deserve respect and memoriam.
I do not care about "feelings". There is way too much PC "feelings" that already distort history.
I rely on facts. On the contemporary words of Abe Lincoln, and the factual demonstration of brotherhood photos
of the anniversary of Gettysburg battles.
corporations are spineless weasels - do we turn over our historical perspectives to corps?
have you become that craven that you support a corptocratic history of the USA?
oh please.
You supported a warmongering, big donor driven, serial liar who was instrumental in the destruction of Libya.
At one time was important to you..
Going after my analysis because I support the Trump agenda of MAGA is not a good place for you to attack my ideas.
Go ahead and attack them. That's what we do, but dragging the election into this smacks of desperation.
nor do I much care about your "rat fuck" descriptions of honorable men.
To this day I slam Chinese hegemony and hypocrisy over Tibet, while they decry the "10 dash line" in the South China sea.
Rune once said I had some kind of power during the election. I am not so delusional that I think what you or I say has any real effect on the real world . Yet that's never stopped us from discussions before
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Waste not on the cold and heartless lizard mind .. "For what does it know of the half-starved wretches tolling from dawn til dark on the plantations? Of mothers shrieking for their children, torn from their arms by slave traders? Of young girls dragged down into moral filth? Of pools of blood around the whipping post? Of hound trains to tear human flesh? Of men screwed into cotton gins to die?"
The Slave Narratives
http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/chronautobio.html
The Nazi's had nothing on these monsters.
The Slave Narratives
http://docsouth.unc.edu/neh/chronautobio.html
The Nazi's had nothing on these monsters.
Much like the banana incident at Clemson University in April, 2016. It was automatically deemed as racially motivated only to be proven race had nothing to do with it.
I've already gone over the reasoning that memoria and statues to the soldiers of the Confederacy ( and the Union for that matter) are worthy historical markers.
They should not be confined to a "museum" They are real patriots to their causes.
They deserve recognition in the light of day. They are part of US history.
The south's cause was ignoble and dark, and should be taught that way.
Why secession and why slavery were Constitutional abominations,and human abominations.
Which I can guarantee -having walked many a Civil War battlefield over the years-
were the furthest thing from soldiers minds when they went into battle.
The men were there to fight honorably for their cause, whether the cause was honorable or not.
Give them their due deference in the light of day.
There were quite a few SS and Wehrmact soliders who thought their cause was honorable - aka, to rid the world of Jews, Slavs, and other subhumans.
There were few if any Wehrmact Nazi's..
The average soldier in Germany did their duty because they had to, or for nationalism.
Which is about the same for both the Union and Confederate soldiers.