What we Know About the Wire Tapping

Thing1 said:
Here's what we know:

Somehow, a man who sees fit to go on a wee-hour tweet rampage saying that his predecessor committed a felony all of a sudden feels a sense of restraint & discretion when it comes to actually sharing evidence to back up that charge.
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Yep.
 
I Love America said:
Nobody said Obama physically did it. He knew about it though. Unless of course you think he was ignorant and had a rogue administration?
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liberals on jpp are being deliberately obtuse on this stuff. No one said Obama actually bugged the phones himself.
 
The mod with no name said:
liberals on jpp are being deliberately obtuse on this stuff. No one said Obama actually bugged the phones himself.
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Trump's implication was clear - Obama ordered it.

And it's silly to even imply that Obama "for sure" knew about whatever happened. The DOJ conducts independent investigations.

Frankly, it's kind of embarrassing that you're sticking to your story. You know Trump just saw Levin & went off.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Spin! It is what the BBC reported.

This BBC report has yet to be confirmed, it alleges nothing illegal and you guys are contradicting it. You have nothing right now.
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Media outlets are quite capable of putting in spin in their non-opinion reporting.

And that's what the BBC was doing. The fact the first warrant request was worded too broadly doesn't rule out the possibility it *also* didn't amount to probable cause---as well. In fact, you have to assume the June request lacked probable cause, because if it didn't lack it, FISA would have granted the warrant.

They would have been compelled by law to grant it.

So basically, when Hillary first floated the Russian narrative last spring, someone in the Obama administration gave a half-assed attempt at getting a FISA warrant to snoop on Trump---they wanted to hack his server in Trump Tower on the chance there was something to it.

But at the time, no one thought Trump had much of a chance so when the first warrant was rejected, 'they' [whoever they are] didn't bother with submitting another.

Right there, we learn something. If the Russian theory had any merit, what's up with the sloppy request? You get the idea getting turned down by FISA is something of a screw up. Whoever wrote it, either didn't know what they were doing---or even more likely, they didn't know what they were looking for.

That's called fishing.

Fast forward to October: most pundits and liberal partisans still thought Hillary was a shoe-in. In spite of the fact her campaign was taking a series of hits from Wiki Leaks and the Comey affair. You get the idea Hillary's internal polling was telling her campaign something else.

So, someone in the Obama administration decides it's time to go fishing for something-anything in Trump Tower that they could leak in time to affect the November election that was only weeks away.

Time to rewrite that FISA warrant.

The timing of the second FISA request begs to be not taken as coincidence. Given the collusion between the DNC and media [no longer a theory] it's very easy to believe they colluded with the Obama administration as well.

Obama's legacy was at stake in the election outcome, so it's very easy to believe he would have DOJ craft a FISA request to tap Trump Tower, because its ridiculously to get them granted---just use the proper language. And we already know Obama wasn't above using the IRS as a blunt instrument against conservative political groups.

All the pieces fit together and it's better than the Russian theory.
 
Darth Omar said:
Media outlets are quite capable of putting in spin in their non-opinion reporting.

And that's what the BBC was doing.
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So now you are calling into question the only legitimate source you have? Well, then you have nothing. You don't get to point at something as proof and then contradict it with made up shit, dumbass.



Darth Omar said:
The fact the first warrant request was worded too broadly doesn't rule out the possibility it *also* didn't amount to probable cause---as well. In fact, you have to assume the June request lacked probable cause, because if it didn't lack it, FISA would have granted the warrant.

They would have been compelled by law to grant it.

So basically, when Hillary first floated the Russian narrative last spring, someone in the Obama administration gave a half-assed attempt at getting a FISA warrant to snoop on Trump---they wanted to hack his server in Trump Tower on the chance there was something to it.

But at the time, no one thought Trump had much of a chance so when the first warrant was rejected, 'they' [whoever they are] didn't bother with submitting another.

Right there, we learn something. If the Russian theory had any merit, what's up with the sloppy request? You get the idea getting turned down by FISA is something of a screw up. Whoever wrote it, either didn't know what they were doing---or even more likely, they didn't know what they were looking for.

That's called fishing.

Fast forward to October: most pundits and liberal partisans still thought Hillary was a shoe-in. In spite of the fact her campaign was taking a series of hits from Wiki Leaks and the Comey affair. You get the idea Hillary's internal polling was telling her campaign something else.

So, someone in the Obama administration decides it's time to go fishing for something-anything in Trump Tower that they could leak in time to affect the November election that was only weeks away.

Time to rewrite that FISA warrant.

The timing of the second FISA request begs to be not taken as coincidence. Given the collusion between the DNC and media [no longer a theory] it's very easy to believe they colluded with the Obama administration as well.

Obama's legacy was at stake in the election outcome, so it's very easy to believe he would have DOJ craft a FISA request to tap Trump Tower, because its ridiculously to get them granted---just use the proper language. And we already know Obama wasn't above using the IRS as a blunt instrument against conservative political groups.

All the pieces fit together and it's better than the Russian theory.
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This is all just wild speculation and since you have discredited your only source, it has no basis.
 
Jarod said:
Where is the quote of HRC? HAHAHAHA! You keep saying its in the video, but for some reason you cant write out the words!!! You are funny, Ill give you that.
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you are insane.....I've decided to add you to my ignore list....you're just another Desh, BucKKle, Nomad, and Domer......
 
it was easy for the self deluded reprobates for eight years under the hybridized supertraitor barack to carry on in their self deceptions. now that a little bit of lawful truth is in control, their damnable reprobate deceivings are just dead. all of barack's army signal corps should find a hobby and relax for the rest of their damned lives.
 
Thing1 said:
Trump's implication was clear - Obama ordered it.

And it's silly to even imply that Obama "for sure" knew about whatever happened. The DOJ conducts independent investigations.

Frankly, it's kind of embarrassing that you're sticking to your story. You know Trump just saw Levin & went off.
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Parse your words carefully....

Obama 'ordered' it....NO, only the FISA court can 'ORDER' it....
He could have 'requested' it....'suggested' it, etc. Maybe, no one is admitting to that.
The DOJ, or FBI, or CIA would be the ones going the court to get an 'order'....and they won't say.
Did Obama know about it ?.....we don't know that for a fact, but he could be kept in the loop and informed about it or the results of it....
again we don't know the facts.

No doubt the NYT published an article that the surveillance did happen and they got this 'information' from a leak...they
called it 'wiretapping'......

Trump certainly don't know enough to parse his words with care, but Obama officials, the FBI, CIA, and DOJ certainly do....so read carefully exactly what they
are claiming.....its usually true but I don't think the readers parse the claims carefully enough to recognize exactly what are confirming or denying.....
 
Thing1 said:
Did Anatta really just thank NOVA for that partisan drivel?
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it's all partisan drivel. The "Russian connection" is at the heart of the drivel; slurped up by the desperate Dems.

the IC leaks it, the MS press publishes as gospel,and the unfounded drivel continues.
write your own storeyline-it's as good as anyone elses
 
NOVA said:
I didn't make any such claim, why should have to cite evidence, idiot....
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Of course, of course. But you have no problem saying "He could have 'requested' it....'suggested' it, etc. Maybe, no one is admitting to that."

You're just like Trump. Who, btw, DID say that Obama is directly involved.
 
Thing1 said:
Of course, of course. But you have no problem saying "He could have 'requested' it....'suggested' it, etc. Maybe, no one is admitting to that."

You're just like Trump. Who, btw, DID say that Obama is directly involved.
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And thats the truth....he COULD HAVE....not he did....and no one is admitting to anything at the moment.....

Obama's denial was was he didn't 'ORDER' it.....of course he didn't because he can't....and ORDER can only be obtained form the court....the word ORDER has a specific meaning....

I'm not responsible for Trumps tweets, I'm responsible for MY WORDS
 
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