If Evolution is true, how did DNA code itself

PostmodernProphet said:
1) it was an answer to micawbers question
2) it points out that DNA is not just random "shit happens", thus removing some of the proposed answers to yaya's question....
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No one has claimed is does except you. The question Yurt posted is simply a nonsense question. DNA does not code itself is the simple answer.
 
Bigdog said:
And yet, it only happened one time, and never again. What are the odds?
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The odds are unity. That's a statistical fallacy. You can't calculate the probability of an event occurring which has already occurred. To use an example, what's the probability of Donald Trump being elected president?
 
Darth Omar said:
There's no end to the speculation on how life began. And in virtually all cases, it's hard to know when the science ends and the science fiction begins.

Suffice to say, none of it threatens a theistic worldview---much less from a logical standpoint.
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Yes but that's a concept you don't seem to be able to get your head around. Biological evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. Biological evolution models speciation.
 
" You can't calculate the probability of an event occurring which has already occurred. To use an example, what's the probability of Donald Trump being elected president? " MH #106

I disagree.

What were the odds of Michael Phelps winning a 2nd gold medal?
Phelps won a 2nd, a 3rd, & a 4th, & a ...

What are the odds President Obama would be elected a 2nd time? He did, in 2012.

If it rains in Pakistan, what are the odds it'll also rain in Peoria?

That a chemical compound starts replicating in one part of the ocean* doesn't prevent either an identical compound from replicating elsewhere, - OR -
a different potentially better chemical from replicating near-by, or far away.

* We can't use modern terminology, ie "Indian Ocean", "Pacific Ocean" etc. because over these geologic / biologic time periods, continental drift has redefined it.
 
Thing1 said:
Hasn't that always been the way though? Whenever we hadn't yet understood something, we'd insert a deity. We used to think the sun was a god, because we couldn't explain it.
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The Sun still doesn't shine out of your arse, sorry to disappoint you!

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Mott the Hoople said:
The odds are unity. That's a statistical fallacy. You can't calculate the probability of an event occurring which has already occurred. To use an example, what's the probability of Donald Trump being elected president?
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Do you think Trump can replicate?

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Mott the Hoople said:
Yes but that's a concept you don't seem to be able to get your head around. Biological evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. Biological evolution models speciation.
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You apparently don't read my posts lol.

I just criticized a link for smuggling evolution into abiogenesis.
 
Darth Omar said:
You apparently don't read my posts lol.

I just criticized a link for smuggling evolution into abiogenesis.
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Again, evolution is a fact, an observed phenomena. The "theory of evolution" explains evolution. Evolution may play a role in abiogenises but abiogenesis has nothing to do with the "theory of evolution." Not yet, anyway.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
The odds are unity. That's a statistical fallacy. You can't calculate the probability of an event occurring which has already occurred. To use an example, what's the probability of Donald Trump being elected president?
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Your objection is a bit of a fallacy.

Calculating the probability of Mott being born is unity.

Calculating the probability of single functional protein being formed [by a random process] has been done---and the odds are absurdly prohibitive.
 
Darth Omar said:
Your objection is a bit of a fallacy.

Calculating the probability of Mott being born is unity.

Calculating the probability of single functional protein being formed [by a random process] has been done---and the odds are absurdly prohibitive.
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Since when is protein synthesis a random process? I mean have you ever studied cell biology? Even if it were random the fact that a biological process produced it means the exact same thing. The odds would be unity.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Since when is protein synthesis a random process? I mean have you ever studied cell biology? Even if it were random the fact that a biological process produced it means the exact same thing. The odds would be unity.
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I thought we were talking about abiogenesis---that's well before protein synthesis.

With abiogenesis, at some point or other, functional proteins had to form---without protein synthesis. PS is a biochemical system, which itself, relies on scores if not hundreds of proteins in the ribosome and etc.

My point is that probabilities have much to do the problem. You tried to dismiss it via a straw man fallacy.
 
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