If Evolution is true, how did DNA code itself

PostmodernProphet said:
we are discussing origin.....your comment deals with the issue of living things changing......my point is until we have the first "living thing" there is nothing to change.....
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I doubt that we'll ever know what exactly the "first living thing" is or was; unless someone develops the ability to travel back in time.
 
Darth Omar said:
I get the idea it's important to you that science refutes Christianity lol. I've never gotten anywhere with disciples of Dawkins so I won't waste time with that aspect.

Suffice to say, the notion that an infinite Being [said being rates the Cap B] is ultimately responsible is very much alive and well.
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Agreed. As far as Richard Dawkins is concerned, I was an atheist or agnostic before I ever heard of him. I heard of him from some right wing Christian who like you just did, supplied a comparison. I think that's pretty funny.
 
Micawber said:
Agreed. As far as Richard Dawkins is concerned, I was an atheist or agnostic before I ever heard of him. I heard of him from some right wing Christian who like you just did, supplied a comparison. I think that's pretty funny.
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You should try and get out more. Dawkins is an important thinker, though at times, a sloppy one.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
My point is you don't understand protein synthesis. Do you know there are vast numbers of microorganisms that contain no functional proteins. Many prokaryotes, archaea, contain no ribosomes and do not produce functional proteins? They certainly predate bacteria and eukaryotes. They are composed mainly of water, phospholipids and carbohydrates all of which can be produced by organic chemical reactions.

All of which are not produced randomly but through specific chemical processes guided by physical and chemical laws. Me thinks you're confusing those with random mutation.

As for my point on statistics it is not a strawman. That is statistical law. You cannot calculate a probability for an event that has already occurred.
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I understand protein synthesis just fine.

But we'll allow that probabilities are irrelevant. Do you and Dick[lol] maintain that life will form on any planet that has the necessary constituents [atmosphere with O2, water, stable sun etc] will produce life?
 
Darth Omar said:
That's called having your cake and eating it too lol.
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Sorry, it is accurate. You understand that gravity is a fact, a phenomenon, that exists separate and apart from any theory of gravity which attempts to explain it I hope? Well, it's the same here. We have observed evolution. It's a fact. The theory of evolution is an attempt to explain it.

Evolution might have something to do with abiogenesis but the theory of evolution does not attempt to explain abiogenesis. But theories evolve themselves. If they discover that evolution is connected then the toe might evolve.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
Sorry, it is accurate. You understand that gravity is a fact, a phenomenon, that exists separate and apart from any theory of gravity which attempts to explain it I hope? Well, it's the same here. We have observed evolution. It's a fact. The theory of evolution is an attempt to explain it.

Evolution might have something to do with abiogenesis but the theory of evolution does not attempt to explain abiogenesis. But theories evolve themselves. If they discover that evolution is connected then the toe might evolve.
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There's the phenomenon and then the theory that attempts to explain it. Got it lol.

What's mildly annoying is the tendency to change the definition of evolution when its deemed necessary by one of its defenders.

Nobody does that with gravity.
 
Darth Omar said:
There's the phenomenon and then the theory that attempts to explain it. Got it lol.

What's mildly annoying is the tendency to change the definition of evolution when its deemed necessary by one of its defenders.

Nobody does that with gravity.
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They observe a blue butterfly with two black spots evolve into a blue butterfly with three spots and say LOOK! man evolved from algae...
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Without God, then how does anyone else explain life?
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First piece of evidence is that life exists. The second is absence of evidence of a deity. Science tells us much about life. Andmuch is unknown. The only difference between us may be you shove god in the unknown and I don't.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
we are discussing origin.....your comment deals with the issue of living things changing......my point is until we have the first "living thing" there is nothing to change.....
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This ignores the fact that life is here right now to change and evidence is replete that it does and has for millions of years.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
we are discussing origin.....your comment deals with the issue of living things changing......my point is until we have the first "living thing" there is nothing to change.....
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This ignores the fact that life is here right now to change and evidence is replete that it does and has changed for millions of years.

There is not "nothing to change" it's all around you right now.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
My point is you don't understand protein synthesis. Do you know there are vast numbers of microorganisms that contain no functional proteins. Many prokaryotes, archaea, contain no ribosomes and do not produce functional proteins? They certainly predate bacteria and eukaryotes. They are composed mainly of water, phospholipids and carbohydrates all of which can be produced by organic chemical reactions.

All of which are not produced randomly but through specific chemical processes guided by physical and chemical laws. Me thinks you're confusing those with random mutation.

As for my point on statistics it is not a strawman. That is statistical law. You cannot calculate a probability for an event that has already occurred.
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Last sentence. Boom. "All this shit around me can't be! Just look at this shit! Most improbable"

Uh, but here it is.
 
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