Turns Out Trump And Every Republican Lied For Years About Obamacare Replacement Plan

[Althea]

Correction: Should be required to compete across state lines. That's one yuuuge area where ACA missed the boat. It might have had a small chance to succeed.

Why do you believe that would lower premiums? If Pa. has low rates due to lower liabilities due to a healthier demographic, why would they have the same rates for NY who has much higher liability? Also...some states have rate regulators, many don't. I'm trying to understand why cross state business is the panacea? Hell...Congress could have done that already.
ACA might have had a chance to keep premiums low if not for a de fund of the risk corridor program, Congressional competence w/respect to the cost sharing program, and less obstructionism by the majority of Red state governors.

 

[Althea]

I think that the biggest difference between a current republican plan and a constitutional conservative plan is that one is repeal and replace and the other is simply repeal. Replacing a universal healthcare plan should not be on the agenda of a conservative or a republican that is going by the constitution in my personal opinion. If the replace plan is simply telling each state to determine their own path for healthcare then that would be the ideal plan to me and would put the responsibility on the states as intended in the 10th amendment.

The latter isn't happening as the federal gov't has been involved way to long in health care so that's just a pipe dream.

Obama gave each state the ability to do so. They find it simply isn't affordable.

No he didn't. You completely misunderstand what she is saying.

So he offered to eliminate all federal health care laws on states? So a state could say they wouldn't offer health care to its people and there would be nothing the federal gov't could do about it. That's what you are saying Obama offered.

No. She said each state should come up with their own healthcare system. Obama specifically stated that each state could do that. Why do you think Vt. spent 4 years trying to do so before they realized they cannot afford it?

They gave a waiver to Vermont. They would have not allowed Vermont to go without health care vis a via the tenth amendment as Norah stated.

I didn't see Norah say anything like that.

 

[Althea]

No, it's not bingo.

Yea....it kinda is

 

[Althea]

it is very obvious once you give the takers anything, it can't be undone. That's why obama and his administration was willing to lie to the american people about Obamacare. They knew they just had to get their foot in the door and get the takers hooked on the new drug.

If by 'takers', you mean those with employer based healthcare, I'm sure they'd tell you they 'deserve' it.

 

[Althea]

love how JPP's resident socialist supports the kick backs for massive insurance companies.

What kick backs?

 

[Althea]

I think that the biggest difference between a current republican plan and a constitutional conservative plan is that one is repeal and replace and the other is simply repeal. Replacing a universal healthcare plan should not be on the agenda of a conservative or a republican that is going by the constitution in my personal opinion. If the replace plan is simply telling each state to determine their own path for healthcare then that would be the ideal plan to me and would put the responsibility on the states as intended in the 10th amendment.

Norah's whole argument was via the tenth amendment states could provide no coverage at all if they so desired. Your article states the Obamacare exception still has to meet minimum qualifications.

Maybe she could clarify that argument

 

[Althea]

Why is it ridiculous? It's constitutional.

Is EMTALA constitutional?

 

[Althea]

Why Obama’s Healthcare Law Is Constitutional
The individual mandate is not a threat to fundamental liberties.
https://www.thenation.com/article/why-obamas-healthcare-law-constitutional/

I'm sure the Founders took the well being of insurance companies into account when drafting the Constitution.

 

[Althea]

I just find it hard to believe that one so young spouts so much contemptible waffle about the Constitution and healthcare. It would seem to me that you ought to be far more interested that all US citizens have access to affordable healthcare. I don't really see why the US couldn't adopt some variation of the French model, what does your precious Constitution have to say about that?

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-can-the-us-learn-from-the-french-health-care-system-2011-3

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[Althea]

I don't like BAC's hypocrisy. That said, if we are going to buttfuck america and force them into healthcare against their will I would rather have a single payer system. Might as well go all out and it's ultimately much simpler.

Why don't we just do away with EMTALA, and adopt a 'cash or credit?' policy at the hospital?

 

[Althea]

Sounds like you don't believe healthy neighbors are in your interests??

These Libertarian types rarely think things through.

 

[Althea]

I am happy to see her head isn't so far up her ass like the droves of young adults making a career out of nothing but racial unrest, militant divisiveness, and general chaos for pay. They wouldn't have an original thought through lobotomy. Human bots. Dembots, if you will.

What the flip is wrong with being "set in stone", old-fashioned even? She gets to decide her stance.

Shame-aging. Nasty business, albeit it necessary to have in your arsenal. Still.

She argues against ACA, after it just saved her ass because she's allowed to stay on her parents' policy.

Oh....the irony.

 

[Norah]

I just find it hard to believe that one so young spouts so much contemptible waffle about the Constitution and healthcare. It would seem to me that you ought to be far more interested that all US citizens have access to affordable healthcare. I don't really see why the US couldn't adopt some variation of the French model, what does your precious Constitution have to say about that?

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-can-the-us-learn-from-the-french-health-care-system-2011-3

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I'm a product of my choices, not my circumstances or my age. I also don't think I'm showing contempt for the constitution (the opposite actually) and I'm not showing contempt towards healthcare. I'm simply just saying that our constitution does not grant our federal government the power to enact nationalized healthcare without an amendment. If they passed an amendment to the constitution then I'd be satisfied. Our constitution shows what powers our federal government has, not the powers they don't have. That's a big difference. Adopting aspects of the French model is fine as long as it's done in a way that doesn't violate our constitutional by skirting around it and just enacting things despite it.

 

[Norah]

She argues against ACA, after it just saved her ass because she's allowed to stay on her parents' policy.

Oh....the irony.

I would have still been covered by my parents insurance.

 

[anatta]

^ General Welfare Clause is pretty elastic to allow anything

 

[Norah]

Sounds like you don't believe healthy neighbors are in your interests??

Why do you think that? Im not saying that people shouldn't have healthcare.

 

[Norah]

I like her but her opinions are incredibly set in stone for one so young. TDAK and CFM are beyond redemption.


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Aren't most people's opinions set in stone to some respect? There are people on my campus that have opposite opinions of me that are just as set in stone just like there are others just like me. You have a comment about snowflakes as your signature. Aren't there opinions pretty much set in stone? I'm not one of those college students calling for safe spaces.

 

[Norah]

Is EMTALA constitutional?

I had to look that one up. On its face I'd say no especially if it applies to private hospitals but hospitals that accept federal funding should honor it.

 

[Norah]

^ General Welfare Clause is pretty elastic to allow anything

"Anything" still needs to be constitutional though in my opinion.

 

[Norah]

Yes I agree with that, however I guess we are all products of our environment.

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The environment I grew up in helped introduce me to many of my beliefs that's for sure but it's still all about choices and research. I'm a member of the college republicans on my campus and the more libertarian/conservative streak that I have is actually the majority in our club with the more traditional republican and alt right/Trump republicans only being a small handful in our club, so my views, atleast at my school and in our chapter,, aren't that rare. I'm also a devout Christian and go to a Christian university and I'll tell you that there is also a divide when it comes to that in my private life and on campus as well since some people attach Christ to things like universal healthcare and use that as a reason to support it whereas I don't think the two should be connected like that.