Turns Out Trump And Every Republican Lied For Years About Obamacare Replacement Plan

Milagro said:
What is wrong with universal healthcare? Every advanced society in the world has it. Even Thailand has recently introduced UHC.

Sent from Lenovo K5 Note:
To piss off snowflakes, bottom feeders and racists
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Every other advanced society doesn't have a govt. that is wholly owned by corporations.
 
Althea said:
Yes...he did.
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So he offered to eliminate all federal health care laws on states? So a state could say they wouldn't offer health care to its people and there would be nothing the federal gov't could do about it. That's what you are saying Obama offered.
 
cawacko said:
So he offered to eliminate all federal health care laws on states? So a state could say they wouldn't offer health care to its people and there would be nothing the federal gov't could do about it. That's what you are saying Obama offered.
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No. She said each state should come up with their own healthcare system. Obama specifically stated that each state could do that. Why do you think Vt. spent 4 years trying to do so before they realized they cannot afford it?
 
Key Republican would vote against GOP's ObamaCare replacement

Rep. Mark Walker, R-N.C., said Monday that he could not get behind the Republican’s current plan to repeal and replace ObamaCare.

Walker, who chairs the Republican Study Committee, which has 170 members, told Bloomberg that he would recommend that his fellow members reject the plan, too.

“The bill contains what increasingly appears to be a new health-insurance entitlement with a Republican stamp on it,” he said.

With the GOP-controlled Congress starting its third month of work on one of its marquee priorities, unresolved difficulties include how their substitute would handle Medicaid, whether millions of voters might lose coverage, if their proposed tax credits would be adequate and how to pay for the costly exercise.

The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office made their job even dicier recently, giving House Republicans an informal analysis that their emerging plan would be more expensive than they hoped and cover fewer people than former President Obama’s statute. The analysis was described by lobbyists speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations with congressional aides.

For many in the party, those problems — while major — are outweighed by pledges they’ve made for years to repeal Obama’s 2010 law and substitute it with a GOP alternative. Conservatives favoring full repeal are pitted against more cautious moderates and governors looking to curb Medicaid’s costs also worry about constituents losing coverage. But Republicans also see inaction as the worst alternative and leaders may plunge ahead as soon as next week with initial House committee votes on legislation.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-vote-against-gops-obamacare-replacement.html

These morons had nothing.

Obviously, they hadn't even discussed what they were going to replace it with .. because they never intended to replace it with anything.
 
Althea said:
No. She said each state should come up with their own healthcare system. Obama specifically stated that each state could do that. Why do you think Vt. spent 4 years trying to do so before they realized they cannot afford it?
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They gave a waiver to Vermont. They would have not allowed Vermont to go without health care vis a via the tenth amendment as Norah stated.
 
The Roof Caves In On Republicans As GOP Gets Caught In Their Own Obamacare Repeal Trap

Congressional Republicans spent six years trying to repeal Obamacare, but now that they are in control of Congress and the White House, House and Senate Republicans are stuck in a trap of their own making and are trying to delay implementation of the repeal for up to four years.

Congressional Republicans spent six years trying to repeal Obamacare, but now that they are in control of Congress and the White House, House and Senate Republicans are stuck in a trap of their own making and are trying to delay implementation of the repeal for up to four years.

Bloomberg reported on the great Republican Obamacare repeal dilemma, “Republicans are debating how long to delay implementing the repeal. Aides involved in the deliberations said some parts of the law may be ended quickly, such as its regulations affecting insurer health plans and businesses. Other pieces may be maintained for up to three or four years, such as insurance subsidies and the Medicaid expansion. Some parts of the law may never be repealed, such as the provision letting people under age 26 remain on a parent’s plan. House conservatives want a two-year fuse for the repeal. Republican leaders prefer at least three years, and there has been discussion of putting it off until after the 2020 elections, staffers said.”

Republicans have warned about the evils of Obamacare for years and promised their supporters that life would immediately improve once the healthcare law was gone. If this is the case, why are Republicans waiting for years to implement the reform? The answer is very simple. Many of the Republican criticisms of the health care law were based on ideology, not fact.

The Republican Party has spent years claiming that Obamacare is a job killer. As Politico reported, the ACA has been the exact opposite. Obamacare has been a jobs program for the healthcare sector, “The private sector has grown every single month since the ACA passed in March 2010, a number that Obama often touts when he defends his signature law. And many of those jobs are, literally, in health care. More than 1 in 9 employed Americans now gets a paycheck directly from the health care industry, and that’s not counting the millions more who work in associated fields, like tech companies that specialize in health care services or the consulting firms that gorge on the sector’s inefficiency.”

Republicans promised to repeal a law that was working pretty well, and replace it with nothing comparable. The GOP is caught between their years of lies about the ACA and reality. The Republican Party has set a trap for itself and is about to throw the economy and health insurance system into chaos because they are trying to repeal a law without ever implementing the repeal.
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/12/29/roof-caves-republicans-gop-caught-obamacare-repeal-trap.html
 
it is very obvious once you give the takers anything, it can't be undone. That's why obama and his administration was willing to lie to the american people about Obamacare. They knew they just had to get their foot in the door and get the takers hooked on the new drug.
 
cawacko said:
No, it's not bingo.
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YES, it was brother.

Vermont first state to file waiver request to duck ACA regulations

Vermont has filed a 1332 state innovation waiver to avoid building a website for its small-business insurance exchange. The state hopes to have those employers enroll directly through insurers.

Under the waiver, beginning Jan. 1, 2017, states can request that the federal government waive basically every major coverage component of the Affordable Care Act, including exchanges, benefit packages, and the individual and employer mandates. The only requirement is that a state's healthcare coverage remains consistent and adequate. Vermont is the first state to send a finalized request (PDF) to the CMS.

Vermont's waiver could serve as a national model for the 19 other state-based exchanges, as well as the remaining 30 states with a federally facilitated marketplace. Those states might consider using direct enrollment with insurers rather than what's known as a Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP) web portal, Joel Ario, a managing director at Manatt Health Solutions and former director at HHS, said in an analysis on the state's proposal. He helped establish the exchanges.

Hawaii posted a draft waiver application similar to Vermont's, seeking to waive certain SHOP requirements. Massachusetts has also posted a draft waiver because it wants to continue to offer individual and small-group health insurance on the same marketplace. Neither state has submitted finalized waivers to the CMS.

Vermont had toyed with the idea of using the waiver to launch a single-payer system. The state is home to Sen. Bernie Sanders who is vying for the Democratic presidential nomination and has advocated for “Medicare for all.”

But Vermont gave up its single-payer plans in 2014, after Democratic Gov. Peter Shumlin received estimates that launching the system would cost the state more than $2 billion in 2017 alone. That would have required a major tax increase.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20160317/NEWS/160319905

The waiver wasn't created just for Vermont .. any state could have used it as long as they produced adequate coverage.
 
blackascoal said:
YES, it was brother.

Vermont first state to file waiver request to duck ACA regulations

Vermont has filed a 1332 state innovation waiver to avoid building a website for its small-business insurance exchange. The state hopes to have those employers enroll directly through insurers.

Under the waiver, beginning Jan. 1, 2017, states can request that the federal government waive basically every major coverage component of the Affordable Care Act, including exchanges, benefit packages, and the individual and employer mandates. The only requirement is that a state's healthcare coverage remains consistent and adequate. Vermont is the first state to send a finalized request (PDF) to the CMS.

Vermont's waiver could serve as a national model for the 19 other state-based exchanges, as well as the remaining 30 states with a federally facilitated marketplace. Those states might consider using direct enrollment with insurers rather than what's known as a Small Business Health Options Program (SHOP) web portal, Joel Ario, a managing director at Manatt Health Solutions and former director at HHS, said in an analysis on the state's proposal. He helped establish the exchanges.

Hawaii posted a draft waiver application similar to Vermont's, seeking to waive certain SHOP requirements. Massachusetts has also posted a draft waiver because it wants to continue to offer individual and small-group health insurance on the same marketplace. Neither state has submitted finalized waivers to the CMS.

Vermont had toyed with the idea of using the waiver to launch a single-payer system. The state is home to Sen. Bernie Sanders who is vying for the Democratic presidential nomination and has advocated for “Medicare for all.”

But Vermont gave up its single-payer plans in 2014, after Democratic Gov. Peter Shumlin received estimates that launching the system would cost the state more than $2 billion in 2017 alone. That would have required a major tax increase.
http://www.modernhealthcare.com/article/20160317/NEWS/160319905

The waiver wasn't created just for Vermont .. any state could have used it as long as they produced adequate coverage.
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Norah's whole argument was via the tenth amendment states could provide no coverage at all if they so desired. Your article states the Obamacare exception still has to meet minimum qualifications.
 
The mod with no name said:
love how JPP's resident socialist supports the kick backs for massive insurance companies.
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;0) Too stupid for words.

I support and have always supported single-payer .. you know, the socialist plan .. like Medicare .. and just about everything deemed 'public.'

I support Obamacare because it's better than the nothing the morons on your side of the fence have to offer.

Anything else?
 
cawacko said:
Norah's whole argument was via the tenth amendment states could provide no coverage at all if they so desired. Your article states the Obamacare exception still has to meet minimum qualifications.
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If that was her argument, it's why I over-looked it.

It's a ridiculous argument.
 
Basically the Tea Party doesn't want any of the "good" stuff -like Medicare expansion.
Nobody wants mandates.
States of course get a carve out.
Catastrophic available if that's all you want. no mandated coverages

The other stuff like staying on parents policy (etc.) has to go thru hearings.

also until this is settled there can't be real tax reform .

OR. just leave Obama care to implode by death spiral,but nobody wants that.
 
blackascoal said:
A picture is emerging of the chaos surrounding the Republican plan to replace Obamacare. It turns that there never was a Republican plan to replace the ACA and Trump his party lied to the country for years about having a health care plan of their own.

A picture is emerging of the chaos surrounding the Republican plan to replace Obamacare. It turns that there never was a Republican plan to replace the ACA and Trump his party lied to the country for years about having a health care plan of their own.

The Washington Post painted a picture of a party that is a rudderless ship on health care:

While leaving most of the detail work to lawmakers, top White House aides are divided on how dramatic an overhaul effort the party should pursue. And the biggest wild card remains the president himself, who has devoted only a modest amount of time to the grinding task of mastering health-care policy but has repeatedly suggested that his sweeping new plan is nearly complete.
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Yet some lawmakers, state leaders and policy experts who have discussed the matter with either Trump or his top aides say the administration is largely delegating the development of an ACA substitute to Capitol Hill. The president, who attended part of a lengthy heath-care policy session his aides held at Mar-a-Lago a week ago, appears more interested in brokering specific questions, such as how to negotiate drug prices, than in steering the plan’s drafting.
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The legislative branch, the House first and foremost, is providing the policy,” said Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.), who noted that the White House lacks “a big policy shop” and that Price and some key principals just recently got in place.

Republicans have been telling the country for years that they have a better way to do health care than the ACA, but this boast was a lie. Republicans in Congress have nothing. They are a deeply divided party that is getting zero leadership and guidance from their president. When Trump claimed that his health care plan would be immediately revealed during the campaign, he lied. When Republican Speaker Of The House Paul Ryan claimed that he had a better more patient-centered way on health care, that too was a lie. When Trump promised last week that his health care plan would be released soon, it was another lie.

Republicans have never had anything, which makes it likely that they are going to replace the ACA with nothing. Don’t be fooled by Republican promises; the plan has always been to take health care away and replace it with nothing.
http://www.politicususa.com/2017/02...an-lied-years-obamacare-replacement-plan.html
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Naw? Really? They lied? Imagine that! LOL

Now they have a real political problem. If they repeal or reduce coverage they'll have a crap load of angry voters and if they keep it and they don't fix the free rider and cost control problems they'll have a crap load of angry voters on their hands. This governing thing is harder than they thought it would be. LOL
 
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