What did Noah build the Ark with and what it says about OEC

Micawber said:
That's a good point. My only opposition to that is two fold, it most certainly did, as here is evidence of life is without evidence of a supernatural deity, and 2, it is an easy argument to make that every unturned stone has god hiding behind it, but history demonstrates that god is not yet behind the next inexorably turned stone. But I concede that particular quandrey has not been solved. and to be honest, I believe it will be and I do not think it will be a good thing.
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The God of the gaps fallacy.

It's weird though because with every naturalistic stone unturned it raises even more questions. For example, positing a naturalistic explanation for origins looked like an easy hurdle to clear in Darwin's day: they probably thought it would be solved by the end of the century.

But a century and a half later, we're seemingly farther away from the answer than we were when cells were assumed to non-descript blobs of protoplasm.

Some could argue it takes less faith to believe in Noah.
 
Dick from the Internet said:
The Oh My God thread got me to thinking about what sort of tools we had during the stone age. This made me think about what sort of tools Noah would have had available. Now I never really thought too much about the adequacy of the tools but that was due to understanding Noah in the context of young earth creationism.

PiMPle and others take up old creationism largely because they think it answers some of the huge problems that the flood raises. If the flood happened more than 10000 ya then this gives them more (not enough) time to explain things like biogeography and the ark. But then that leaves Noah with almost no tools.

http://www.primitiveways.com/wood_carving.html

There is no way he could build an ark with this. Not in 900 years. Boats only go back 10000 years as it is.

Yep, you either reject the notion that the flood literally happened or you are a young earth creationist.

PiMPle and TapsOut are just as silly as Ken Ham but less honest and quite possibly more ignorant.
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God always showed his prophets things that would boggle the mind. Just because some unrepentant, tax-hiking invertebrate like you can't grasp the notion of a supreme being doesn't mean Noah wasn't given everything he needed to build that ship.

Get over yourselves, you fucking democrats.
 
Granule said:
God always showed his prophets things that would boggle the mind. Just because some unrepentant, tax-hiking invertebrate like you can't grasp the notion of a supreme being doesn't mean Noah wasn't given everything he needed to build that ship.

Get over yourselves, you fucking democrats.
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Did they have magic underpants?

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PostmodernProphet said:
that's why we evangelize......we need to gather the damaged testicles from among the unbelievers........
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and try to convince them of the reality of a football sized boat with all the animals in the world.

or virgin birth

or walking on water

or bringing people back from the dead

or.....
 
Granule said:
God always showed his prophets things that would boggle the mind. Just because some unrepentant, tax-hiking invertebrate like you can't grasp the notion of a supreme being doesn't mean Noah wasn't given everything he needed to build that ship.

Get over yourselves, you fucking democrats.
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(laughing)

Burning bushes
Golden tablets

And you. The massively gullible.
 
Granule said:
God always showed his prophets things that would boggle the mind. Just because some unrepentant, tax-hiking invertebrate like you can't grasp the notion of a supreme being doesn't mean Noah wasn't given everything he needed to build that ship.

Get over yourselves, you fucking democrats.
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So god magically provided them with power tools? Is that the best you can do?

This is only indirectly related to your demands for a bigger government. Let's stay on this topic and we can deal with your national socialism elsewhere.
 
domer76 said:
and try to convince them of the reality of a football sized boat with all the animals in the world.

or virgin birth

or walking on water

or bringing people back from the dead

or.....
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The first thing the evangelizers convince their victims of is that it is all for them. God killed all those people and innocent animals for you. He loves you and wants you to live the right way so he killed all those innocent people and animals so that he could give you his plan for salvation. You're one of his chosen people now. Don't you feel special!

You are supposed to focus on that, how it makes you feel and ponder what God has planned for you, because you're so special. You are not supposed to consider these details like how they built a boat big enough or how the animals dispersed from there. This is why PiMPle gets so mad, because we are doing it wrong.

Of course, since the details don't matter much, PiMPle and other OECs will drop those details if it suits them. They feel free to push the date way back, make the flood local and then they can get rid of most/all of the animals. But like I said that creates other problems for their story. The biggest one really is that they have to go back far enough so the local flood can kill all people or when they had yet to disperse.

I am not sure why PiMPle is an OEC at all if he is going to accept the possibility of nonsense like miniaturization. He probably settled on it for the same reason he and TapsOut pretend to accept the toe, it projects an image that they think is respectable.

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PostmodernProphet said:
Just the power.....and that's the best anyone can do.....
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Well, then why OEC? Why not just agree with Ham? If all can be explained with God's magical powers then there is no reason for you to reject any part of the scripture.

Maybe God's power was enough for the world wide flood and he just cleaned up afterwards. Maybe God's power was enough for the koala to outrun the cheetah and swim to Australia or maybe God sent giant birds to airlift them (or was that Tolkien???).
 
Dick from the Internet said:
The first thing the evangelizers convince their victims of is that it is all for them. God killed all those people and innocent animals for you. He loves you and wants you to live the right way so he killed all those innocent people and animals so that he could give you his plan for salvation. You're one of his chosen people now. Don't you feel special!

You are supposed to focus on that, how it makes you feel and ponder what God has planned for you, because you're so special. You are not supposed to consider these details like how they built a boat big enough or how the animals dispersed from there. This is why PiMPle gets so mad, because we are doing it wrong.

Of course, since the details don't matter much, PiMPle and other OECs will drop those details if it suits them. They feel free to push the date way back, make the flood local and then they can get rid of most/all of the animals. But like I said that creates other problems for their story. The biggest one really is that they have to go back far enough so the local flood can kill all people or when they had yet to disperse.

I am not sure why PiMPle is an OEC at all if he is going to accept the possibility of nonsense like miniaturization. He probably settled on it for the same reason he and TapsOut pretend to accept the toe, it projects an image that they think is respectable.

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So much confusion for just one atheist mind.....first, who are these innocents you've imagined?......are they mentioned in YOUR legends?.....they do not appear in mine....second, yes we are chosen.....sucks to be you I know, but that's the way the free will tumbles.....third, I'm an old earth creationist because I'm not a young earth creationist and I don't think there's such a thing as a middle aged earth creationist...fourth, the only miniaturization I am aware of is your mind....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
So much confusion for just one atheist mind.....first, who are these innocents you've imagined?......are they mentioned in YOUR legends?.....they do not appear in mine....second, yes we are chosen.....sucks to be you I know, but that's the way the free will tumbles.....third, I'm an old earth creationist because I'm not a young earth creationist and I don't think there's such a thing as a middle aged earth creationist...fourth, the only miniaturization I am aware of is your mind....
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Are you taking lessons from TapsOut on cowardice?

Why do you accept OEC over YEC?



I am going to bring floodwaters on the earth to destroy all life under the heavens, every creature that has the breath of life in it. Everything on earth will perish. 18 But I will establish my covenant with you,

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Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
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Then he let us eat meat. Praise the Lord!
 
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