Say Goodbye to Clean Drinking Water

[Darth Omar]

a lot of (36%) still out there data . Still 40% is a lot - but what good would this reg do to clean it up?
and at what cost? Isn't it much of it coal related that is already being cleaned up? Or not?
SCOTUS rulings now require figuring costs....the old EPA considered none of this

We have a pretty strong nature conservation movement in WV on account of tourism. And we have our share of environmental activists as well---the latter is an ideology.

I'm an avid fisherman so I know a thing or two about WV water and fisheries. I can tell you whatever is in 90% of the water doesn't seem to bother the fish lol. Trout are an exception though; and yes, mining affects them not because of heavy metals or selenium but because of pH.

But here's the point: We don't want or need the heavy hand of the EPA to manage our water. Not that I advocate banning it but because the EPA under Obama was used as a blunt instrument against the mining industry.

Trump is putting a stop to it. As promised.

 

[Airstrip One]

We have a pretty strong nature conservation movement in WV on account of tourism. And we have our share of environmental activists as well---the latter is an ideology.

I'm an avid fisherman so I know a thing or two about WV water and fisheries. I can tell you whatever is in 90% of the water doesn't seem to bother the fish lol. Trout are an exception though; and yes, mining affects them not because of heavy metals or selenium but because of pH.

But here's the point: We don't want or need the heavy hand of the EPA to manage our water. Not that I advocate banning it but because the EPA under Obama was used as a blunt instrument against the mining industry.

Trump is putting a stop to it. As promised.

Are there any waterways or fisheries in WV not named after Byrd?

 

[Teflon Don]

Are there any waterways or fisheries in WV not named after Byrd?

That goes for buildings and roads too.

The man was a king of bringing home the bacon

 

[anatta]

We have a pretty strong nature conservation movement in WV on account of tourism. And we have our share of environmental activists as well---the latter is an ideology.

I'm an avid fisherman so I know a thing or two about WV water and fisheries. I can tell you whatever is in 90% of the water doesn't seem to bother the fish lol. Trout are an exception though; and yes, mining affects them not because of heavy metals or selenium but because of pH.

But here's the point: We don't want or need the heavy hand of the EPA to manage our water. Not that I advocate banning it but because the EPA under Obama was used as a blunt instrument against the mining industry.

Trump is putting a stop to it. As promised.

Thanks for the info, "blunt instrument" it was.
We don't need EPA enforcement on intrastate waters if the states do their job. Using the EPA to destroy mining is classic.

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

Our environment will suffer under Trump. It is not even on his radar to protect it.

We were sort of losing the battle, anyway. When people look back on this period of time, they'll just shake their heads at how many warning signs we ignored. It's been such a short time since the Industrial Revolution, and look at what has happened to the planet in that time.

Why in the world does anyone rational think this is sustainable? We have technologies that would enable us to establish a more symbiotic relationship w/ the planet, but they're on the backburner because the fossil fuel industry is rich.

 

[Teflon Don]

Our environment will suffer under Trump. It is not even on his radar to protect it.

We were sort of losing the battle, anyway. When people look back on this period of time, they'll just shake their heads at how many warning signs we ignored. It's been such a short time since the Industrial Revolution, and look at what has happened to the planet in that time.

Why in the world does anyone rational think this is sustainable? We have technologies that would enable us to establish a more symbiotic relationship w/ the planet, but they're on the backburner because the fossil fuel industry is rich.

oh the humanity

oh the hand wringing and distress this must bring you

I constantly see lefties waxing poetic about their concern about the environment, yet I don't see them truly living their beliefs. For example, I don't see you giving up your modern conveniences to save the erf. When called on that hypocrisy they usually claim "what can I do? I am only one person". So they want everyone else to be forced against their will to live a lifestyle that lefties won't voluntarily live themselves

Some of the most vocal proponents of saving our planet like Leonardo Decraprio and Albore live lifestyles and have carbon footprints that would make most people blush. But, they are given a pass on their hypocrisy because "they care".

The great thing about your prediction is you will be dead and gone. So it won't matter.

 

[Ralph]

Our environment will suffer under Trump. It is not even on his radar to protect it.

We were sort of losing the battle, anyway. When people look back on this period of time, they'll just shake their heads at how many warning signs we ignored. It's been such a short time since the Industrial Revolution, and look at what has happened to the planet in that time.

Why in the world does anyone rational think this is sustainable? We have technologies that would enable us to establish a more symbiotic relationship w/ the planet, but they're on the backburner because the fossil fuel industry is rich.

All of these communist regulations do nothing to help mother earth or the environment. Take for instance this latest executive fiat...concerning clean water, rushed through the process at the speed of light because Barry Soetoro was a lame duck. They pushed the executive fiat through...and then attempted to grandfather it in through an act of legislation in order to make it more difficult to dismiss with another EO from the incoming administration. But they pushed so quickly they forgot one thing that makes the latest EO null and void as far as being connected to the 1972 Clean Water Act.....they forgot the language of the law concerning the process that is mandatory.

What process? They simply tried to do an end run around the mandated report form the U.S Corp. of Engr. The law states that the Corp must do an in depth study before any amendments, or attachments can be submitted to the legislative branch for conformation.

Question? Where is the in depth environmental report from the US Corp of Engr.? Where is any report from the US Corp of Engr. Where is the legislative approval of the supposed attached and adopted NEW REGULATION submitted by the Soetoro white house as being an addition to the Clean Water Act of 1972?

Does anyone even thank that this supposed new EPA regulation has a damn thing to do with CLEAN WATER in coal producing states? Bull Shit...the way the regulation is drafted it is drafted in almost verbatim language of the special interest group attempting to stop the Canadian Pipeline project from getting of the ground. Who drafted the new regulation? The folks that do such for a living....The US Corp of Engr who had no input? No...of course not...with a little research you can find the regulation came directly from the Center for American Progress.

This is outright blatant...not so brilliantly preformed to Stop the Keystone Pipeline project. One must learn from history when the communist party usa is holding out its right hand saying...we are thinking of the people in the coal producing states health...you must look at what the other hand is doing.

 

[Rune]

you say plebs? I usually say proles. Damn we reached the exact same conclusion. I hadn't even seen this post before my last one. You're the best tsuke. You think just like me. You are like a Grind jr.

Politics make strange bedfellows say stupid shit.

 

[Rune]

Thanks for the info, "blunt instrument" it was.
We don't need EPA enforcement on intrastate waters if the states do their job. Using the EPA to destroy mining is classic.

Tell that to the permanently brain damaged children of Flint, apologist douche nozzle

 

[Ralph]

Tell that to the permanently brain damaged children of Flint, apologist douche nozzle

Clearly Flint was exempt from the 1972 Clean Water Act...no? All it would have taken is ENFORCEMENT of preexisting law. Why attempt to place more regulation on top of regulations that are ignored and not enforced? To target special interest projects. Like stopping the Keystone Pipeline Project by executive fiat.

The left predictably always uses the same game plan. Its either Race Baiting, Propaganda....or attempting to use the strawman argument of tugging on someone's heart string. HOW CAN ANYONE BE AGAINST CLEAN WATER...JUST LOOK AT ALL THE BRAIN DAMAGED CHILDREN OF FLINT DUE TO UNCLEAN WATER.

They wheel crippled people out onto the stage....look at Chris Reeves....STEM CELL research might have saved his life...we need the government to fund stem cell research.

Its always the same game plan. Of course the hero is always BIG GOVERNMENT to the RESCUE.

Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

The trouble? The gullible sheep on the left..eat this propaganda up.

 

[anatta]

Tell that to the permanently brain damaged children of Flint, apologist douche nozzle

that was a complete failure of local and state gov't. in extreme cases like this -yes the EPA can come in.
It is the routine infringement of local purview on a regular basis by the Obama adm that is changing under Trump

 

[zappasguitar]

havent drunk anything but alkaline water forpast 5 years. Regular water is for plebs.

yeah!

Who cares what the great unwashed drink!

So what if their kids get sick and die thanks to corporate greed.

Just as long as you got yours!

 

[zappasguitar]

I can't believe you don't care about people having to use polluted water. We just had a water scare here in some of the neighborhoods and 100,000 people couldn't use water without boiling it first. People shouldn't have to be put at risk because coal barons want to dump their crap in streams instead of handling it carefully.

You're right.

People SHOULDN'T have to drink/bathe with polluted water.

Sadly, until greedy Republicans begin to care more for human life than they do for the almighty dollar, they will just keep making excuses and nothing will change.

 

[Teflon Don]

yeah!

Who cares what the great unwashed drink!

So what if their kids get sick and die thanks to corporate greed.

Just as long as you got yours!

Why should I care about your kids? Shouldn't you be responsible for the health and well being of your own kids? Why should I?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Trumpkins? And they care why?

As for Congressional Republicans good on them for this effort to roll back gov't creep and excessive regulation used to burden industry.

Really? You ever seen a strip mine? Ever seen the acid leachate percolating out of one? Would you care to have that flowing into your ground water or a navigable water way? You are aware that due to their acidic nature of coal mining overburden that the acidified water leaches hazardous quantities of arsenic, lead, mercury, hexavalent chromium, selenium, etc? You sure that's a burden on Industry? To not dump their tailings and overburden in navigable waterways? Do you have even the slightest notion of how catastrophic that sort of acidification is to aquatic ecosystems? Do you have any idea of the toxicological impact of drinking water contaminated with unsafe levels of heavy metals? This to you is a burden on industry? Seriously?

 

[zappasguitar]

"More than 40 percent of West Virginia’s rivers are too polluted to pass simple water-quality safety thresholds. They are too polluted to be safely used for drinking water or recreation, or to support healthy aquatic life."


http://www.appalmad.org/slider/west-virginias-streams-are-in-trouble/

But I thought the WV state EPA was all West Virginians needed to properly care for their water?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

havent drunk anything but alkaline water forpast 5 years. Regular water is for plebs.

You mean the entire eastern half of the U.S. are plebs?

 

[domer76]

Awwwww are your feelings huwt?

I never said my water is contaminant free. I said it has never made me sick. I don't have anything around me that would be cause for concern. Testing for microbes is plenty since that is what can cause the most acute illness.

The water tastes delicious and I have no complaints. Maybe I am not as fearful as you?

Sorry won't let you put words on my mouth. Nice try though.

(laughing) "Never made you sick" and "testing for microbes is plenty" demonstrates your complete ignorance of the issue. Thanks for proving my point.

Dismissed now, moron.

 

[zappasguitar]

Flint, Michigan said goodbye to clean drinking water under Obama.

Flint, Michigan said goodbye to clean drinking water when the REPUBLICAN APPOINTEE tried to SAVE A FEW BUCKS.

ANOTHER Rightie more concerned with the almighty dollar than human lives.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I guess some people are oblivious to the fact states can manage their own environmental regulations without the heavy hand of the federal government.

They are? Oh and they had such a wonderful record of doing that prior to EPA. Why there was no reason what so ever for federal regulations like the CAA, CWA, RCRA and CERCLA cause the States had done such a fantastic job of managing their pollution and making sure it didn't migrate to other States. [/sarcasm].

Sorry dude but the factual historical record would indicate that we had a massive problem that States had proven beyond any reasonable doubt that the were incapable of managing which required Federal intervention. You are simply uninformed and don't understand the issue.