Iraq & Benghazi

Thing1 said:
In your world, what Hillary and other Dems SAID is much more egregious than what Bush DID.

It's what partisanship does. You lose perspective.

Again - by making all of these excuses and apologies, you are not holding Bush accountable. No one on your side really does. It's why I started this thread. The hypocrisy is completely overwhelming to me.

Read christie's link if you have any courage. That list of Dem quotes is exactly what I said it was: lame, and largely irrelevant.
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Here you are again making shit up. No where did I imply or say what they said is more egregious than what Bush did. Stop lying because you can't defend your position.

I said Bush was wrong because Iraq was not a national threat. How many times must I repeat this before you stop lying about what I've actually said? Virtually everytime I've disagreed with you and you can't defend your position you throw out lame stuff like, partisanship, excuses and apologies.

You're unbelievable. Christie's link does not change what was said. It is a partisanship attempt to white wash and apologize for Dems saying the same thing as Bush. You're the one who refuses to hold them responsible, well, except Hillary, but then you apologize by saying "context, context, context".

You are the one who has lost all perspective.
 
Thing1 said:
Do you think it's intelligent not to go to a simple link because you're terrified that your fixed ideas will be challenged?

Do you just want me to agree w/ you that context never matters?
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I suppose if one were to to that, I would not say that is very smart. But I don't see anyone doing that.

I've read that stuff years ago, why would I reread it? Context cannot take away the fact that Dems said he had WMDs and was a threat. To claim context is wholly dishonest because the whole issue about the context was about whether we should invade, not whether they actually said he had WMD's or was a threat.

Did you read it?
 
Seahawk said:
Here you are again making shit up. No where did I imply or say what they said is more egregious than what Bush did. Stop lying because you can't defend your position.

I said Bush was wrong because Iraq was not a national threat. How many times must I repeat this before you stop lying about what I've actually said? Virtually everytime I've disagreed with you and you can't defend your position you throw out lame stuff like, partisanship, excuses and apologies.

You're unbelievable. Christie's link does not change what was said. It is a partisanship attempt to white wash and apologize for Dems saying the same thing as Bush. You're the one who refuses to hold them responsible, well, except Hillary, but then you apologize by saying "context, context, context".

You are the one who has lost all perspective.
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You imply it's more egregious with what you focus on. Look at the discussion on this thread. What are you most focused on? What have you posted on more, and been more emotional about?

And it's sort of unreal to suggest that context isn't important to meaning. If you didn't read christie's link, how can you say that it doesn't change anything? Have you really never seen an instance where context changes the meaning of something?

So strange. It's kind of a waste of time discussing things w/ you.
 
Thing1 said:
You imply it's more egregious with what you focus on. Look at the discussion on this thread. What are you most focused on? What have you posted on more, and been more emotional about?

And it's sort of unreal to suggest that context isn't important to meaning. If you didn't read christie's link, how can you say that it doesn't change anything? Have you really never seen an instance where context changes the meaning of something?

So strange. It's kind of a waste of time discussing things w/ you.
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How is saying "the same" implying more egregious? The only reason I have spent more time on it, is because you and I are specifically discussing it. You can't point to a single thing I've said to back up your nonsense.

I see you didn't read the post after the one you quoted here, else you would have not made the second paragraph.

If you feel it is a waste of time, that is too bad. Well, if you want to ignore me, that is your prerogative, but I think it is a cop out.
 
Thing1 said:
This is bull. Dems didn't lie about Curveball in a SOU speech. They didn't "fix the intel around the policy" to justify invasion. They didn't give Colin Powell's aide a "chinese menu" of intel and tell him to "make the case" for war.

Most of those Dem quotes were from the '90's, and not a single one calls for invasion.

It's a bogus comparison. Who would have ever thought in 2003 that you righties would be bending over backwards to give Democrats "credit" for what happened in Iraq? Remember when Saddam's statue fell, and they were on the "wrong side of history" for opposing Bush?
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It's a comparison showing the same things were stated by Bush and Democrats prior to Bush being in office. The time factor is irrelevant and is the bogus part. The different is you call Bush saying them a lie and bend over, grab your ankles, and take one up the ass to cover for the Democrats.
 
Thing1 said:
In your world, what Hillary and other Dems SAID is much more egregious than what Bush DID.

It's what partisanship does. You lose perspective.

Again - by making all of these excuses and apologies, you are not holding Bush accountable. No one on your side really does. It's why I started this thread. The hypocrisy is completely overwhelming to me.

Read christie's link if you have any courage. That list of Dem quotes is exactly what I said it was: lame, and largely irrelevant.
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Sorry, but your claim about something being lame and irrelevant doesn't make it so because YOU said it. That's the problem with Liberals. You make statements and expect the rest of us to accept it because you SAID it.

You're using said and did as if they're the same thing. A lie is based on what's said. It didn't become a lie to you idiots until Bush actually did something and you lefties saw it as a good way to go after him despite having SAID the same things.
 
CFM said:
It's a comparison showing the same things were stated by Bush and Democrats prior to Bush being in office. The time factor is irrelevant and is the bogus part. The different is you call Bush saying them a lie and bend over, grab your ankles, and take one up the ass to cover for the Democrats.
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"The time factor is irrelevant" - because you say so?

Do you know any of the history of this? You know that the sanctions and no-fly zones of the '90's were specifically designed to eliminate his WMD programs, right?

Don't lecture me about covering for Democrats. You enthusiastically supported one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in history. I opposed it.

I was right. You were incredibly wrong. I'm tired of hearing you guys lecture anyone on ANYTHING foreign-policy related. You should permanently recuse yourself from such discussions after supporting Iraq.

Shameless.
 
Thing1 said:
"The time factor is irrelevant" - because you say so?

Do you know any of the history of this? You know that the sanctions and no-fly zones of the '90's were specifically designed to eliminate his WMD programs, right?

Don't lecture me about covering for Democrats. You enthusiastically supported one of the biggest foreign policy blunders in history. I opposed it.

I was right. You were incredibly wrong. I'm tired of hearing you guys lecture anyone on ANYTHING foreign-policy related. You should permanently recuse yourself from such discussions after supporting Iraq.

Shameless.
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The time factor is irrelevant but has nothing to do with me saying it. If it's a lie when Bush said it, it's a lie when Democrats said it. A lie doesn't become one or stop being one due to time. It either is or isn't.

"I was right" - because you say so?

You're tired of hearing lectures? Quit bending over and grabbing your ankles for the Democrats. That's shameless.
 
CFM said:
The time factor is irrelevant but has nothing to do with me saying it. If it's a lie when Bush said it, it's a lie when Democrats said it. A lie doesn't become one or stop being one due to time. It either is or isn't.
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Unless sanctions worked, and Iraq actually dismantled their WMD programs. Which it looks like they did.

It's funny that you think time makes no difference. Circumstances change all the time.
 
Seahawk said:
I suppose if one were to to that, I would not say that is very smart. But I don't see anyone doing that.

I've read that stuff years ago, why would I reread it? Context cannot take away the fact that Dems said he had WMDs and was a threat. To claim context is wholly dishonest because the whole issue about the context was about whether we should invade, not whether they actually said he had WMD's or was a threat.

Did you read it?
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I respond to his repeated cries about Christie's link and I guess Thing is still trying to come up with a reply.
 
Thing1 said:
Unless sanctions worked, and Iraq actually dismantled their WMD programs. Which it looks like they did.

It's funny that you think time makes no difference. Circumstances change all the time.
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Keep bending over. Apparently you love taking it for the Democrats.
 
Thing1 said:
No. I'm just tired of talking to someone who doesn't listen.

And only Yurt posts what you posted above, btw.
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Don't you mean someone that won't automatically agree with what you say? That's the problem with you lefties. You assume when someone disagrees with you, because you think you know more about everything than the rest of us, we aren't listening to what you say. We listen and dismiss 99.9% of it as nonsense and bullshit.
 
Thing1 said:
No. I'm just tired of talking to someone who doesn't listen.

And only Yurt posts what you posted above, btw.
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LOL, "only" Yurt. Really? That is just dopey.

Anyway, what I have not listened to? You kept mentioning her link, I addressed her link and all of a sudden you can't be bothered to discuss it.

Like I said, cop out.
 
Seahawk said:
LOL, "only" Yurt. Really? That is just dopey.

Anyway, what I have not listened to? You kept mentioning her link, I addressed her link and all of a sudden you can't be bothered to discuss it.

Like I said, cop out.
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Well, any way you slice it, it's pretty much exhausting. I really don't know 100% if you're Yurt, but trying to talk to you exhausts me as much as talking to Yurt did. No one else has really had that quality - where there were constant interruptions to "call out my side" and condemn Democrats equally regardless of the circumstances.

It's just tiring. I come here to have some spirited discussion, but the minutiae w/ you is pointless.
 
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