Are Cons Coming to Terms With Racism in American Policing?

christiefan915 said:
I would have to research the statistics and get back to you. But do you really think the feds would have gotten involved if there weren't problems?
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Yes, for two reasons:
1 - Feds get involved to see if there MAYBE problems
and
2 - The need to appease the angry mentality of public pressure, whether the pressure is based on facts or just emotions
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

It came from a DOJ report. Consider yourself educated on the matter, lol.
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So it's not about every cop in America, just the ones in the Philly PD.
 
Legion Troll said:
Trump's party rally is coming to Cleveland.

Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo was acquitted of all charges against him in the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, both black and unarmed. Thirteen Cleveland police officers fired 137 shots at them. Brelo, having reloaded at some point during the shooting, fired 49 of the 137 shots. He took his final 15 shots at them after all the other officers stopped firing (122 shots at that point) and, "fearing for his life," he jumped onto the hood of the car and shot 15 times through the windshield.

Not only was this excessive, it was tactically asinine if Brelo believed they were armed and firing. But they weren't armed, and they weren't firing. Judge John O'Donnell acquitted Brelo under the rationale that because he couldn't determine which shots actually killed Russell and Williams, no one is guilty.


http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

Some Trump delegates have stated that they will bring their guns to Cleveland during the convention.

What could possibly go wrong? :dunno:
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If there was justice in this world Brelo would be in the slammer for a long, long time.
 
Taft2016 said:
Not at all.

If you were to head over the Southern Poverty Law Center's Facebook page you'll see thousands of people there posting that very notion about American police, that they're routinely shooting African Americans down for no reason every day.

Since African Americans are statistically 93% Democrat, it only makes sense to seek an answer to the question from other Democrats.

Unless you happen to think that 93% are "braindead".

There are other obvious questions to ask.

Since there are about a million law enforcement personnel in the country, and each one of them probably encounters an African American each day, shouldn't the body count be higher? Statistically African Americans should be eliminated by law enforcement within a week and a half, no?

And how is that despite this mission to eradicate African Americans, American police still manage to kill more white males each year?

And why is it that African American and hispanic officers manage to use deadly physical force against minorities with greater frequency?
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Thank you Taft.

When I posted the question, I figured it would either be ignored or attempts would be made to just lessen the reasoning behind it; even thought the reasoning behind it is based on what JPP liberals, the BLM, and public figures have stated or suggested.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
My point had more to do with avoiding certain situations with cops. I wouldn't bum rush a cop under any circumstances.
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I wouldn't bum rush anyone with a gun, unless my family was being threatened and bum rushing him meant that my family could get away or then have the opportunity to overwhelm the person.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Serious question: how does one go about 'understanding the black experience'?
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Seeing on a daily basis how blacks are treated in their communities, for one. And it's not just about policing. We had another issue here... it probably happens a lot but this company got caught because of whistleblowers... where an apartment management company took phone calls, noted whether the callers were black or white based on their voices, then refused to rent to the "black" voices. The black voices were told that the apartments they called about were suddenly unavailable.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Serious question: how does one go about 'understanding the black experience'?
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Just heed the words of a president whose father was a black man from Kenya, mother was a white woman from Kansas, who met each other at a Marxist Russian language class and raised their kid in Hawaii.

That guy is clearly the epitome of the African American experience.
 
christiefan915 said:
Seeing on a daily basis how blacks are treated in their communities, for one. And it's not just about policing. We had another issue here... it probably happens a lot but this company got caught because of whistleblowers... where an apartment management company took phone calls, noted whether the callers were black or white based on their voices, then refused to rent to the "black" voices. The black voices were told that the apartments they called about were suddenly unavailable.
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Well, we can take it any direction if you want to rely on anecdotes.

That still doesn't tell me much. I recognize that blacks experience discrimination at times. But how much of it is real and how much is just perception?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, we can take it any direction if you want to rely on anecdotes.

That still doesn't tell me much. I recognize that blacks experience discrimination at times. But how much of it is real and how much is just perception?
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You got your answer when the libtards started a thread comparing Emmet Till to Trayvon Martin.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Serious question: how does one go about 'understanding the black experience'?
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one cannot. I don't even try. I listen to what is said - it take some of it as truth, some of it as hyperbole,but it ain't me.

The US is in a Cold War type race war, where really bad vibes pop up by whites who get tired of being blame for being white ,
( the "white power structure" is my favorite - since it does not exist).

Blacks are tired of racism, and being killed by cops.
everybody is seething at each other -and thinking the very worst about each other at all times. I stay the fuck out of it.
No winning in that hate filled process
 
Taft2016 said:
I'll explain two fundamental schools of policing: proactive and reactive.

Reactive policing is where the police show up after an incident, take a report, and refer it to detectives to see if they can make an arrest. As crime rises, and the detectives' workload becomes overbearing, it becomes increasingly unlikely an arrest will ever be made. So criminals become bolder and crime soars.

Proactive policing is where the police try to stop crime before it happens. This involves patrol officers actively engaging the public, which sometimes can be perceived as harassment. But over the past 2 decades it has drastically reduced crime nationwide.

Reactive policing is a helluva lot easier for the police to do. Fill out a piece of paper and off you go back to your coffee.

Proactive policing doesn't have nearly as much coffee and involves a lot more work and is a lot more hazardous.

It's all very simple; communities just need to tell their elected officials they want reactive instead of proactive policing.

But they won't because that's not what they want. They've lived through reactive policing before. They want the police to "harass" people, just not them, because then that would be "racism."

And the poor cops are wedged in between this illogic between their local governments and the communities.
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I think that one problem is that they aren't proactive regarding themselves and instead just want to complain about what they feel is unfair.

I've been stopped before or been involved with the Police and felt I was being treated unfairly and being disrespected.
I was always told not to argue the point on the side of the road; but I've complained to higher ranking Officers about such conduct and if necessary, I've gone farther up the ladder.

I'm also self educated enough to know what my rights are and if a Cop is being an asshole I know how to be an asshole right back, without "crossing the line.

Example:
I got pulled over, while riding my Motorcycle, and as the Cop was walking up, he made some snide comment about bikers.
He then asked me if I had my registration, insurance, and license.
I replied "Yes I do" and just looked at him.
He stood there with this puzzled look and finally said "Can I see them".
I said "Sure - May I get them from my wallet, which is in my back left pocket".
He said "Yes, but don't make any sudden movements".
I said "No problem", retrieved them, handed them over, and asked why I was being stopped.
He said "I'll get to that in a moment; but why didn't you give me your papers with I asked for them the first time".
I told him "Because you didn't ask for them initially, you just asked if I had them".
After he runs my information, he comes back and I again asked him "Why was I stopped".
He ignores my question and asked "Where are you coming from".
At this point I had had enough and asked him "Is that why you stopped me; because if it's not, then I don't see where I'm coming from has anything to do with this conversation and why did you stop me".
Then he looks at me and asks "Where are you going to".
My reply was "Once again; unless that's the reason you stopped me, I don't see what that has to do with this conversation and once again, why did you stop me".
Then he goes "You know we have a lot of incidents of drug smuggling in this area (which was news to me, seeing as how I had lived in the same location for over 20 years) and do you mind if I search your bike"
I told him "I'm not giving you permission to search me or my bike".
Then he tries to intimidate me by saying "You know that I can detain you and have a K9 unit come out, conduct a walk around search, and if we do find anything - WELL we'll just arrest you and impound your bike".
I looked him dead in the eye and said "You do what you feel you need to do; but I'm not going to be the one that has to explain to higher ups why you spent so much of your time and that of the K9 Officers and came up with nothing - What was the reason you stopped me".

He stands there for a minute or two and I'm just looking at him.
Finally he hands my papers back to me and say's "I stopped you; because you swerved within your lane, back there".
My reply was "Yeah, I thought it best to miss that big black dog that looked like he was going to run in front of me and when I looked back I saw you swerved to miss him also - May I go now".

He stands there for another couple of minutes, kind of sighs, says yes, and walks back to his car.

I called the Police Station, that same day, and talked to the shirt supervisor.
Explained the situation and the conversation to him and asked if I needed to come down to make an OFFICIAL COMPLAINT.
He said while I had the right to do so, he assured me that he would speak with Officer ******.
I thanked him and that Officer never stopped me again.

People need to stop being REACTIVE and instead become PROACTIVE; but you need to know what you're doing and not act like an idiot, just become you've been "slighted".
 
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