Are Cons Coming to Terms With Racism in American Policing?

Taft2016 said:
Not at all.

If you were to head over the Southern Poverty Law Center's Facebook page you'll see thousands of people there posting that very notion about American police, that they're routinely shooting African Americans down for no reason every day.

Since African Americans are statistically 93% Democrat, it only makes sense to seek an answer to the question from other Democrats.

Unless you happen to think that 93% are "braindead".

There are other obvious questions to ask.

Since there are about a million law enforcement personnel in the country, and each one of them probably encounters an African American each day, shouldn't the body count be higher? Statistically African Americans should be eliminated by law enforcement within a week and a half, no?

And how is that despite this mission to eradicate African Americans, American police still manage to kill more white males each year?

And why is it that African American and hispanic officers manage to use deadly physical force against minorities with greater frequency?
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Because it has nothing to do with racism?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Refreshing words and I give these men credit for changing their point of views based on fact and an attempt to see life in someone else's shoes. I lived for years in a rural area where I faced overt discrimination and I resent them for it to this day. At college, for a year I lived in either the black part of town or the urban hillbilly part of town. On the one hand I saw how the police ruled with an iron first and fairness and equality wasn't high on their priority list. On the other hand there was a lot of dumb mother fuckers and criminals in the community too. So yea I saw overt discrimination against blacks by the cops on regular basis on shit I'd get a pass for. On the other hand they did a great job under difficult circumstances to maintain law and order that made a huge difference in the quality of life for poor working class people, including blacks. For the cops it was a thankless, stressful and dangerous job.

For the working class and poor blacks, the vast majority of whom are good decent productive people, it was like a military occupation. I was never, ever, ever frightened of the police in the small white town I grew up in. They were authority figures there to protect me. Not so in Dayton. I was fucking scared of the cops there. I knew they'd beat my head in if I was mouthy or even the least bit aggressive. It was a completely different experience with the police. I saw first hand the guilty till proven innocent conditions of life most African Americans have to live under. It sucks and it's endemic and pervasive.

This has just been an ugly week. In what happens I think we all have some common ground to agree on. That is, no one wants to see people, who shouldn't be dead, killed.

The police men who died in Dallas shouldn't have died just because they went to work. That they were killed trying to protect innocents and their colleagues is to be honored most respectfully. Nor should a civilian going about their normal life die because of who and what they are or because someone wasn't adequately trained or negligent in some fashion.

The finger pointing stuff blows chunks. We need to recognize problems and fix them instead of fixing the blame. We have a problem with deranged people randomly, killing large numbers of innocents. How do we stop it?

We may have a problem with how our police are trained. Should we fix what is wrong with their training?
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Well stated. It's a challenging situation. You'll hear poor blacks for instance say they're tired of having drug dealers stand on their street corners everyday and threaten and intimidate the neighbirhood to the point where people are afraid to go outside or let their kids outside. They went the cops to come help keep the neighborhood safe.

Yet the flip side is people will say the cops come in and f with them and harass them and think every young black is dealing drugs etc. I'm not sure how to fix it but I wish we could
 
Taft2016 said:
Newt, of course, has spent too long in the rarefied climes of academia. Everyday white folks routinely have racism ascribed to their actions much to their bewilderment. Just Friday I was riding the subway and an obviously pregnant white girl boarded. I stood up and offered the seat to her when a black girl (about the same age, but not obviously pregnant), scooted in behind me and snatched it. "Excuse me," I said. "I was offering my seat to this lady." "What? You only get up for white women?" The pregnant girl and I just looked at each other knowingly. Of course there is an element of sickness in white society, but it is clearly more pronounced in black society. And American liberalism just feeds it.
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Cool story, Officer. :thumbsup:
 
Legion Troll said:
"African American and hispanic officers manage to use deadly physical force against minorities with greater frequency"

Can you arf up a verifiable source for that claim, lol? Officer 2016 seems reluctant to do so.
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4. Black and Hispanic police officers are more likely to fire a gun at blacks than white officers. This is according to a Department of Justice report in 2015 about the Philadelphia Police Department, and is further confirmed that by a study conducted University of Pennsylvania criminologist Greg Ridgeway in 2015 that determined black cops were 3.3 times more likely to fire a gun than other cops at a crime scene.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

It came from a DOJ report. Consider yourself educated on the matter, lol.
 
Looks like Mr. Greg Ridgeway is a little tainted...


After 19 months at the helm of the National Institute of Justice, Greg Ridgeway quit last summer to join the faculty of the University of Pennsylvania. Just days before he left, NIJ gave one of his new colleagues at Penn a $3 million grant.


http://www.philly.com/philly/education/Feds_3_million_grant_to_Penn_raises_questions_about_transparancy.html
 
Legion Troll said:
The "Daily Wire" says it came from a DOJ report without linking to that report. I already knew that.

You swallowed it like a doggie treat. Good lapdoggy!

I want to see the report.

Got a link to it?
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Could you be any more predictable lol? Daily Wire isn't a source, idiot. They were doing a story on Heather MacDonald who wrote a book on this general subject. Books involve research and that sort of thing.

If you want to question her sources, that burden is on you.

I'll understand if you don't get back with us on it.
 
Lapdoggy Hack Hussein said:
Could you be any more predictable lol? Daily Wire isn't a source, idiot. They were doing a story on Heather MacDonald who wrote a book on this general subject. Books involve research and that sort of thing. If you want to question her sources, that burden is on you. I'll understand if you don't get back with us on it.
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So, here's what the report actually says:


We also examined the race of involved officers in TPFs to gain a greater understanding of how cross-race encounters may influence threat perception. Because multiple officers are sometimes involved in a single shooting, there are instances in which there is a multi-racial representation of officers in a single incident.

For this analysis, we focus on racial dyads, isolating cases in which we had a single racial representation for the officer and the suspect in a single incident. There were 316 such cases.

A majority of officers involved in OISs were White. There were 191 OISs in which all discharging officers were White. Among these incidents, officers had an overall TPF rate of 5.2 percent. The White officer TPF rate for Black suspects was 6.8 percent. There were no TPFs among the other incidents involving White officers. Black officers had an overall TPF rate of 11.6 percent. Among incidents involving Black suspects and
Black officers, the TPF rate was 11.4 percent. Hispanic officer OISs accounted for 22 incidents in this analysis. These officers had a TPF rate of 18.2 percent overall, which was the highest among all officer groups. Hispanic officers had a TPF rate of 16.7 percent when involved in OISs with Black suspects. Table 8 shows a complete breakdown of officer-suspect racial dynamics and TPFs.

We tested the statistical significance of the difference amongst various suspect racial groups, dependent upon officer racial groups.

We found that no group of officers had a significantly different rate of TPFs amongst various suspect races. For example, the difference in the rate at which white officer OISs were TPFs was not significantly different for black, Hispanic, white, and Asian suspects.


http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf
 
Legion Troll said:
So, here's what the report actually says:


We also examined the race of involved officers in TPFs to gain a greater understanding of how cross-race encounters may influence threat perception. Because multiple officers are sometimes involved in a single shooting, there are instances in which there is a multi-racial representation of officers in a single incident.

For this analysis, we focus on racial dyads, isolating cases in which we had a single racial representation for the officer and the suspect in a single incident. There were 316 such cases.

A majority of officers involved in OISs were White. There were 191 OISs in which all discharging officers were White. Among these incidents, officers had an overall TPF rate of 5.2 percent. The White officer TPF rate for Black suspects was 6.8 percent. There were no TPFs among the other incidents involving White officers. Black officers had an overall TPF rate of 11.6 percent. Among incidents involving Black suspects and
Black officers, the TPF rate was 11.4 percent. Hispanic officer OISs accounted for 22 incidents in this analysis. These officers had a TPF rate of 18.2 percent overall, which was the highest among all officer groups. Hispanic officers had a TPF rate of 16.7 percent when involved in OISs with Black suspects. Table 8 shows a complete breakdown of officer-suspect racial dynamics and TPFs.

We tested the statistical significance of the difference amongst various suspect racial groups, dependent upon officer racial groups.

We found that no group of officers had a significantly different rate of TPFs amongst various suspect races. For example, the difference in the rate at which white officer OISs were TPFs was not significantly different for black, Hispanic, white, and Asian suspects.


http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf
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From the same source:

We also examined the race of involved officers in threat perception failure OISs to gain a greater under- standing of how cross-race encounters may influence threat perception. We found that the threat percep- tion failure rate for White officers and Black suspects was 6.8 percent. Black officers had a threat perception failure rate of 11.4 percent when the suspect was Black. The threat perception failure rate for Hispanic offi- cers was 16.7 percent when involved in an OIS with a Black suspect.
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This is the more relevant statistical aspect because if you're fishing for a race angle you look for failure in threat perception: that is, if white cops have an irrational fear of blacks, then you would expect to see a disproportionate degree of threat perception fails in the white population.

But the white officers apparently didn't get the memo, lol.
 
Lapdoggy Hack Hussein said:
From the same source: We also examined the race of involved officers in threat perception failure OISs to gain a greater under- standing of how cross-race encounters may influence threat perception. We found that the threat percep- tion failure rate for White officers and Black suspects was 6.8 percent. Black officers had a threat perception failure rate of 11.4 percent when the suspect was Black. The threat perception failure rate for Hispanic offi- cers was 16.7 percent when involved in an OIS with a Black suspect.
This is the more relevant statistical aspect because if you're fishing for a race angle you look for failure in threat perception: that is, if cops have an irrational fear of blacks, then you would expect to see a disproportionate degree of threat perception fails in the white population. But the white officers apparently didn't get the memo, lol.
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You never saw this report until I posted the link, lapdoggy.

You don't understand what the big words mean without Allen B. West to guide you, do you, lol?

You "forgot" this little detail: "However, given our small sample of TPFs, we caution against overconfidence in this finding."

http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf

Arf, arf, good doggy!
 
cawacko said:
This is one ex cops perspective and he's definitely coming from a more cynical and negative position but a depressing read nonetheless.

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/866197...cial&utm_content=voxdotcom&utm_source=twitter
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So when has being objective been considered cynical and negative? I found his article both dispassionate and objective based on the facts as he knows them. His observations may have negative implications but don't pin that on him for writing about it.
 
Legion Troll said:
You never saw this report until I posted the link, lapdoggy.

You don't understand what the big words mean without Allen B. West to guide you, do you, lol?

You "forgot" this little detail: "However, given our small sample of TPFs, we caution against overconfidence in this finding."

http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf

Arf, arf, good doggy!
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Whiffed again, eh lol?
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
No, it was directed more at the Micheal Brown's of the world.
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So the fact that investigations, by any objective measure, demonstrated a culture of corruption where the local police department was exploiting the community they served for cash to run their department didn't have a thing to do with that? People in a community normally don't riot when a criminal gets shot. Do you completely lack the imagination to see what it would be like to live I such a community where the police didn't protect you but preyed upon you for money? How an incident like that could be the spark to light an even bigger fire?
 
Trump's party rally is coming to Cleveland.

Cleveland police officer Michael Brelo was acquitted of all charges against him in the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams, both black and unarmed. Thirteen Cleveland police officers fired 137 shots at them. Brelo, having reloaded at some point during the shooting, fired 49 of the 137 shots. He took his final 15 shots at them after all the other officers stopped firing (122 shots at that point) and, "fearing for his life," he jumped onto the hood of the car and shot 15 times through the windshield.

Not only was this excessive, it was tactically asinine if Brelo believed they were armed and firing. But they weren't armed, and they weren't firing. Judge John O'Donnell acquitted Brelo under the rationale that because he couldn't determine which shots actually killed Russell and Williams, no one is guilty.


http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8661977/race-police-officer

Some Trump delegates have stated that they will bring their guns to Cleveland during the convention.

What could possibly go wrong? :dunno:
 
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