Are Cons Coming to Terms With Racism in American Policing?

cawacko said:
If I may ask where do you think most of all this happens?
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I think most of the ones we hear about happen in bigger cities. And I think it's under reported. I could be mistaken but believe I read somewhere that reporting is encouraged but voluntary.
 
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christiefan915 said:
My post wasn't about riots and police violence against blacks isn't only confined to riots. Pittsburgh has a terrible record of police misconduct against blacks but you (pl.) don't hear about it because it's mostly one on one. We were under a federal consent decree in the past but it didn't change police conduct permanently.

Yes I think cops are beating blacks in rural America, and anywhere else blacks live.
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After seeing some of the other responses on here I better understand your OP but a political calculation? That's like saying you don't want to see change because it could hurt you politically.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Yes, and it's not just a white thing with me.
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Here are four common arguments that have no merit:

1. Affirmative Action takes jobs and scholarships away from white people.

2. White culture can be appropriated, too.

3. Black-on-white crime is proof that black people just hate all whites!

4. BET, Black Girls Rock and Black History Month exclude white people. How racist!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/reverse-racism-isnt-a-thing_us_55d60a91e4b07addcb45da97
 
cawacko said:
After seeing some of the other responses on here I better understand your OP but a political calculation? That's like saying you don't want to see change because it could hurt you politically.
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It is hurting the GOP politically. The number of black registered Republicans is in the single digits. And this isn't directed at you, but it's not because the Dems are giving away free stuff.
 
christiefan915 said:
My post wasn't about riots and police violence against blacks isn't only confined to riots. Pittsburgh has a terrible record of police misconduct against blacks but you (pl.) don't hear about it because it's mostly one on one. We were under a federal consent decree in the past but it didn't change police conduct permanently.

Yes I think cops are beating blacks in rural America, and anywhere else blacks live.
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What are the black crime statistics in Pittsburgh? Do they engage in criminal behavior more than the white population?

The reason I ask is because if blacks are involved in crime more than other groups you can draw the wrong conclusion from other statistics.

And if you fear the cops, go out of your way to not encounter them.
 
christiefan915 said:
It is hurting the GOP politically. The number of black registered Republicans is in the single digits. And this isn't directed at you, but it's not because the Dems are giving away free stuff.
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I don't think the Democrats are losing any sleep over that.
 
I like how Gary Johnson has stepped up and spoken about the drug war being the root of the trouble between police and blacks (although the Watts riots and Black Panthers all came about before the official war on drugs started so drugs wasn't necessarily the impetus for the problem.)
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
What are the black crime statistics in Pittsburgh? Do they engage in criminal behavior more than the white population?

The reason I ask is because if blacks are involved in crime more than other groups you can draw the wrong conclusion from other statistics.

And if you fear the cops, go out of your way to not encounter them.
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Good call on that last line. Let's not apply any standards to the behavior of police. Let's just stay away from them like they're the KGB or something.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
What are the black crime statistics in Pittsburgh? Do they engage in criminal behavior more than the white population?

The reason I ask is because if blacks are involved in crime more than other groups you can draw the wrong conclusion from other statistics.

And if you fear the cops, go out of your way to not encounter them.
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I would have to research the statistics and get back to you. But do you really think the feds would have gotten involved if there weren't problems?
 
cawacko said:
I like how Gary Johnson has stepped up and spoken about the drug war being the root of the trouble between police and blacks (although the Watts riots and Black Panthers all came about before the official war on drugs started so drugs wasn't necessarily the impetus for the problem.)
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"The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people," former Nixon domestic policy chief John Ehrlichman told Harper's writer Dan Baum for the April cover story.

"You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did."



http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/23/politics/john-ehrlichman-richard-nixon-drug-war-blacks-hippie/
 
christiefan915 said:
Did they have a come-to-Jesus moment or is it political calculation?

"...an extraordinary Facebook Live chat with former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, suggest that the combination of Thursday night’s carnage and the police killings of two black men earlier in the week might be changing some minds on the right. The comments made by Gingrich are arguably the most newsworthy:

"It took me a long time, and a number of people talking to me through the years to get a sense of this. If you are a normal, white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America and you instinctively under-estimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk."

The Black Lives Matter movement, Gingrich said, should be seen as a “corrective” that “initially people reject because it’s not in their world.”

But Gingrich wasn’t the only conservative who was moved on Friday to break the rules of conservative discourse. Over at the Daily Caller, writer Matt K. Lewis wrote a post that opened with an unequivocal assertion: “[P]olice brutality toward African-Americans is a pervasive problem that has been going on for generations.” In the post, headlined “A confession,” Lewis grappled with the fact that, as a white person, he was raised to “reflexively believe the police” and “give them the benefit of the doubt,” while many black Americans have reasonably come to the conclusion that they and their children are “living under an occupying army.”

Lewis’ post ended with an expression of hope that videos of police encounters like the two that surfaced this week would cause “naive, white Americans” ”to start seeing the issue of police violence against blacks with less cloudy eyes."

One such white American has turned out to be Leon H. Wolf, managing editor of the website RedState. Friday morning, Wolf published what might be the most striking of all the conservative commentary we’ve seen on Dallas. In a post titled “The Uncomfortable Reason Why It Came to This In Dallas Yesterday,” Wolf argued that it was time to acknowledge not only the “lingering mistrust between police and minority communities,” but the fact that this mistrust is based on something real: namely, that “police often interact with minority communities in different ways than they do with the white community.

“Look, I don’t know,” Wolf writes. “I don't want to rush to judgment on either the Baton Rouge shooting or the Falcon Heights shooting, but based upon what we have seen, they look bad. Very bad.”

www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/07/08/newt_gingrich_and_other_conservatives_seem_to_be_coming_to_terms_with_racism.html
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Refreshing words and I give these men credit for changing their point of views based on fact and an attempt to see life in someone else's shoes. I lived for years in a rural area where I faced overt discrimination and I resent them for it to this day. At college, for a year I lived in either the black part of town or the urban hillbilly part of town. On the one hand I saw how the police ruled with an iron first and fairness and equality wasn't high on their priority list. On the other hand there was a lot of dumb mother fuckers and criminals in the community too. So yea I saw overt discrimination against blacks by the cops on regular basis on shit I'd get a pass for. On the other hand they did a great job under difficult circumstances to maintain law and order that made a huge difference in the quality of life for poor working class people, including blacks. For the cops it was a thankless, stressful and dangerous job.

For the working class and poor blacks, the vast majority of whom are good decent productive people, it was like a military occupation. I was never, ever, ever frightened of the police in the small white town I grew up in. They were authority figures there to protect me. Not so in Dayton. I was fucking scared of the cops there. I knew they'd beat my head in if I was mouthy or even the least bit aggressive. It was a completely different experience with the police. I saw first hand the guilty till proven innocent conditions of life most African Americans have to live under. It sucks and it's endemic and pervasive.

This has just been an ugly week. In what happens I think we all have some common ground to agree on. That is, no one wants to see people, who shouldn't be dead, killed.

The police men who died in Dallas shouldn't have died just because they went to work. That they were killed trying to protect innocents and their colleagues is to be honored most respectfully. Nor should a civilian going about their normal life die because of who and what they are or because someone wasn't adequately trained or negligent in some fashion.

The finger pointing stuff blows chunks. We need to recognize problems and fix them instead of fixing the blame. We have a problem with deranged people randomly, killing large numbers of innocents. How do we stop it?

We may have a problem with how our police are trained. Should we fix what is wrong with their training?
 
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Thing1 said:
It's not, though. It's a mindless question. Completely braindead.
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Not at all.

If you were to head over the Southern Poverty Law Center's Facebook page you'll see thousands of people there posting that very notion about American police, that they're routinely shooting African Americans down for no reason every day.

Since African Americans are statistically 93% Democrat, it only makes sense to seek an answer to the question from other Democrats.

Unless you happen to think that 93% are "braindead".

There are other obvious questions to ask.

Since there are about a million law enforcement personnel in the country, and each one of them probably encounters an African American each day, shouldn't the body count be higher? Statistically African Americans should be eliminated by law enforcement within a week and a half, no?

And how is that despite this mission to eradicate African Americans, American police still manage to kill more white males each year?

And why is it that African American and hispanic officers manage to use deadly physical force against minorities with greater frequency?
 
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