How did Colonel Gaddafi get away with such evil for so long?

the whole thing is stupid bullshit "Viagra Rape" sensationalism concocted by French liars.

Annick Cojean may be a decent person (maybe)-but she swallowed the same shit whole as Rice and Clinton..
Clinton and Rice did it for war, and they didn't check their facts either..

the fact of Gaddafi and his policy of rape to suppress rebel activity

Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war
An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton last week said she was "deeply concerned" that Gaddafi's troops were participating in widespread rape in Libya. "Rape, physical intimidation, sexual harassment, and even so-called 'virginity tests' have taken place in countries throughout the region," she said
 
I'm a little late to this party, but exactly what did hillary do to deserve any praise for her actions regarding Libya? Do you think she deserves any praise for Benghazi? 'Cause THAT turned out just peachy! And Wasn't that the start of the so-called "arab spring"? When people started rising up against the imams in Iran and obama pulled a kind of Bay of Pigs on them and left them hanging? Yay! Go team obama/hillary! Never has an American administration had more experience in(royally screwing up)the foreign policy realm of government!
 

BAC's favorite video..a pic is worth a 1000 words

BAC was a big supporter of Gaddafi and Libya right? Thought the U.S. actions were b.s.? Thought the rape accusations were all made up? (just trying to remember his positions)
 
BAC was a big supporter of Gaddafi and Libya right? Thought the U.S. actions were b.s.? Thought the rape accusations were all made up? (just trying to remember his positions)
Yes. BAC and myself were the first to come up with "create a terrorist state" because of the NTC's ( Rebels from Bengazi) ties to al-Qaeda.
This was back in early 2011 @ DCJ.
It was the first time I recall seeing pick up trucks with mounted artillery in the truck bed.

BAC is a socialist, and Qaddafi was a socialist. yes to all of your questions.
 
last trip down memory lane...but I came across this one too. This was one of BAC's "go to" links on Qaddafi's Libya.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/11/28/10-things-about-gaddafi-they-dont-want-you-to-know/
1. In Libya, a home is considered a natural human right.

In Gaddafi’s Green Book it states:

“Whoever possesses the house in which you dwell, the vehicle in which you ride or the income on which you live, possesses your freedom, or part of it. Freedom is indivisible. For people to be happy, they must be free, and to be free, they must possess the possibility of satisfying their own needs. Whoever possesses the means of fulfilling your needs controls or exploits you, and may enslave you despite any legislation to the contrary.

The material needs of people that are basic and personal start with food, housing, clothing and transport and must be regulated as private and sacred and their satisfaction should not depend on hire. To satisfy these material needs through rent, gives the original owner the right to interfere in your personal life and to control your imperative needs, even if the original owner be the society in general. The original owner can usurp your freedom and take away your happiness. The interference of the original owner may include repossessing your clothes, even leaving you naked on the street. Likewise, the owner of your means of transportation may leave you stranded on the sidewalk, and the owner of your house may make you homeless.

People’s imperative needs cannot be regulated by legal or administrative procedures. They must be fundamentally implanted into the society in accordance with natural rules.”

2. Education was free

Gaddafi’s view on education is something that seems to resonate with many. He believed that education had nothing to do with a routinized curriculum. He pointed to the fact that the western world has forced their youth to learn during specified hours while sitting in rows of desks, and that this type of education now prevails all over the world and goes against human freedom.

“State controlled education, which governments boast of whenever they are able to force it on their youths, is a method of suppressing freedom. It is a compulsory obliteration of a human being’s talent, as well as a coercive directing of a human being’s choices. It is an act of dictatorship destructive of freedom because it deprives people of their free choice, creativity and brilliance. To force a human being to learn according to a set curriculum is a dictatorial act. To impose certain subjects upon people is also a dictatorial act.

He strongly believed that state controlled/standardized education is again, a “forced stultification” of the masses. He believed that all governments who set courses of education in terms of a formal curriculum and force people to learn them are coercing and manipulating their citizens.

“All methods of education prevailing in the world should be destroyed through a universal cultural evolution that frees the human mind from curricula of fanaticism which dictate a process of deliberate distortion of man’s tastes, conceptual ability and mentality.”

He did not mean that schools should be closed, in fact he believed that education was important and that society should provide all types of education that gives the individual the chance to choose freely.

“Knowledge is a natural right of every human being of which no one has the right to deprive him or her under any pretext, except in a case where a person does something which deprives him or her of that right.”

3. Medical treatment was free

It’s beyond me as to why medical care is not free in all countries. This should be basic human right and we’ve drifted far from it. Are we not capable of creating something better as to where medical treatment could be free for everyone in all countries? Gaddafi strongly believed in this, and created it for his people.

4. There were no electricity bills in Libya, electricity was free

The western world wants to put a meter on everything. It’s just another way, out of many, to enslave us. Basic human rights are not met in the western world, and what’s even more discouraging is the fact that most of us sit back and accept it, or don’t even realize it.

5. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great ManMade River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country

6. All newlyweds in Libya would receive 60,000 Dinar ($50,000 USD) by the government to buy their first apartment to help start a family.

7. A portion of Libyan oil sales is or was credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens

8. Libya had it’s own state bank

Libya had its own State bank, which provided loans to citizens at zero percent interest by law and they had no external debt.

9. A bursary was given to mothers with newborn babies

When a Libyan woman gave birth she was given the equivalent to $5000 USD for herself and the child.

10. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government would fund them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US $2,300/month accommodation and car allowance

Was Gaddafi a terrorist? It doesn’t really seem like it, does it? Below is a compilation of clips from around the world that might give you a different perspective
 
Maybe a con will explain how we could congratulate bush for getting rid of Saddam while excoriating Hillary for orchestrating the removal of Gaddafi.

What a vile piece of work Colonel Gaddafi was.

For some of you, perhaps, this will be a statement of the glaringly obvious. But I suspect there will be many others for whom, like me, this week’s Storyville documentary on the barbarity of his regime — Mad Dog: Gaddafi’s Secret World (BBC4, Monday) — was something of a revelation.

Sure, we’d all heard about the funny stuff... But the nastier stuff came as news to me: killing his foreign secretary, then keeping him in a deep-freeze in his palace so that he could regularly have a gloat over the body; visiting classrooms of 15- and 16-year-old girls, patting the ones he fancied on their heads, then having them dragged off by his security, gynaecologically inspected and shown pornographic videos (to educate them in his expectations) before raping them and then having them put away in asylums; deliberately shooting down one of his own domestic airliners, partly for the sheer hell of it, partly as a ruse to show the West that its sanctions were hurting Libya so badly that it couldn’t afford to maintain its own aircraft…

Perhaps I’m being naive here, given the murder outside the Libyan embassy in London of PC Yvonne Fletcher, not to mention the destruction of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie. A dictator capable of such barbarities, surely, would be capable of anything? Well, yes, indeed. But how could we be sure he was personally responsible?

What becomes pretty clear watching this fascinating, supremely well-researched documentary — filmed everywhere from South Africa to Cuba, interviewing everyone from his arms dealer Frank Terpil to his head of protocol and one of his female bodyguards — is that Gaddafi was in it up to the neck in all these crimes and more. We haven’t even touched, yet, on the victims of every IRA bomb containing Semtex shipped from Libyan ports; nor on the women and children butchered in the Sierra Leonean and Liberian civil wars that Gaddafi bankrolled and that cost the lives of more than a million people...

It suited Gaddafi’s interests, obviously, because it enabled him to get away with murder, while terrifying his people and perpetually wrongfooting his subordinates with his Caligula-like capriciousness. It suited the leaders of the West — Reagan and Thatcher among the few exceptions — because Libya’s oil reserves were too useful.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/why-the-west-let-gaddafi-get-away-with-murder/

I used to have arguments with BAC and made many of those points. All I get in return was how wonderful he was and how much his people lived him. Oh and the Great Man-made River, he loved talking about that.


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What do you get out of talking this way? There must be some deep need a few of you have that throwing the word "homo" around fulfills. Can you explain it to me? I would like to understand.

As is typical with you, you are fixated on a word. So it isn't in your PC lexicon of approved words, bfd!

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good lord. I cannot believe you even contemplate this harlequin novel ..it's pure sensationalism trash.

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Bullshit!

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I have a lot of time for him otherwise but he seems to believe that Ghaddafi was some kind of god, that truly baffles me.

Understanding that ' Gaddaffi the threat to mankind ' was a character concocted by a cartel of Western arms dealers and pro-Zionist factions in Washington and London does not equate to regarding him as ' some kind of god '.
As usual, your penchant for exaggeration as a tool for deflection is visible and dreary.
 
Yes. BAC and myself were the first to come up with "create a terrorist state" because of the NTC's ( Rebels from Bengazi) ties to al-Qaeda.
This was back in early 2011 @ DCJ.
It was the first time I recall seeing pick up trucks with mounted artillery in the truck bed.

BAC is a socialist, and Qaddafi was a socialist. yes to all of your questions.

Qaddafi wasn't a socialist, he was a despot.

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To flip Christie's OP question how come liberals had massive (street) protests to removing Saddam but none for removing Gaddafi?
 
Let's be perfectly clear that ' regime change ' is illegal under international law- lest any skewed-moral pseudo-historians continue to believe that some kind of justice was delivered by attacking Iraq and Libya. We were in the wrong. Millions have died. Millions are displaced. The combined crimes of Gaddaffi and Saddam don't come close to equaling our horrors and scores. We weren't even ' well-meaning dupes '. Slaughter and failed states were our objectives- in the name of the ' security of Israel '
 
I have a lot of time for him otherwise but he seems to believe that Ghaddafi was some kind of god, that truly baffles me.

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you are the one who has to make him into a despotic horrid ruler. I take him for what he was.
I'm not BAC,and I question a lot of his socialism - if it's like most dictators that socialism probably only flowed to areas where he wanted it to.
And ..he was a dictator. Meaning uneven rule.
But he was generally good for the country . It could have been much worse -and he did renounce his earlier ways,
and he did tamp down the various "AQ types"( for lack of a better description). He was set to get a UN award too.

We screwed the pooch when we removed him from power. That intervention/assassination led to the current failed terrorist infested state.
And that is the bottom line .Libyan war of 2011 served nobody's interest except the terrorists-certainly not the Libyan people.
 
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I haven't read it, but it's based on the fact that Qaddafi used rape as a regular weapon of war against the NTC.
And we know that is 100% bullshit. No humanitarian organization has ever found any evidence. It's a trashy novel.
 
I haven't read it, but it's based on the fact that Qaddafi used rape as a regular weapon of war against the NTC.
And we know that is 100% bullshit. No humanitarian organization has ever found any evidence. It's a trashy novel.

Ffs, you haven't read it but you know it is a trashy novel. That is the sort of thing that Rune would say!!:palm:

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you are the one who has to make him into a despotic horrid ruler. I take him for what he was.
I'm not BAC,and I question a lot of his socialism - if it's like most dictators that socialism probably only flowed to areas where he wanted it to.
And ..he was a dictator. Meaning uneven rule.
But he was generally good for the country . It could have been much worse -and he did renounce his earlier ways,
and he did tamp down the various "AQ types"( for lack of a better description). He was set to get a UN award too.

We screwed the pooch when we removed him from power. That intervention/assassination led to the current failed terrorist infested state.
And that is the bottom line .Libyan war of 2011 served nobody's interest except the terrorists-certainly not the Libyan people.

The UN should have put in a peacekeeping force with a robust mandate unlike in Bosnia. Cameron and Obama just sat on their hands and watched from the sidelines. Libya is not Iraq, there isn't the Sunni-Shia rift for a start and it's a big country with a small population.

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the whole thing is stupid bullshit "Viagra Rape" sensationalism concocted by French liars.

Annick Cojean may be a decent person (maybe)-but she swallowed the same shit whole as Rice and Clinton..
Clinton and Rice did it for war, and they didn't check their facts either..



Amnesty questions claim that Gaddafi ordered rape as weapon of war
An investigation by Amnesty International has failed to find evidence for these human rights violations and in many cases has discredited or cast doubt on them. It also found indications that on several occasions the rebels in Benghazi appeared to have knowingly made false claims or manufactured evidence
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...fi-ordered-rape-as-weapon-of-war-2302037.html

Hillary lied people died.
 
The UN should have put in a peacekeeping force with a robust mandate unlike in Bosnia. Cameron and Obama just sat on their hands and watched from the sidelines. Libya is not Iraq, there isn't the Sunni-Shia rift for a start and it's a big country with a small population.

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Good point. Libya is a country where democracy spreading *might* have worked since its small enough to manage with minimal peace keeping forces. But as we learned in Iraq, that takes a long term political commitment.

Go in, kill the secular despot and leave? You and I know better than to do that and so does Trump.
 
Ffs, you haven't read it but you know it is a trashy novel. That is the sort of thing that Rune would say!!:palm:
You should look to support your claims like I do. I don't make stupid "Runeisms" and I support any declarative I make.
Look at posts 40%41.

Here is a redact from that trashy novel:
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When the author, Annick Cojean, went to cover Libya post Gaddafi for Le Monde, she was struck by the absence of women among the rebels. Elsewhere in the Arab Spring, women had been present on the streets sharing the celebrations. She did come to learn that the Libyan women in fact had taken huge risks in passing information and supplies and hiding money. However, they were still trapped in a society that held the woman's place as in the home, guarded and hidden.

Part of the origin of this seclusion was the fact of Gaddafi and his policy of rape to suppress rebel activity....

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Qaddafi never used systemic rape against the NTC. So this whole premise of the trashy novel is bogus.
It's unsupported sensationalism - like a lot of crap hyped by the western press to support our crazed war,
It's nothing but a money maker for the author -which is fine -but don't tell me it has any historical accuracy whatsoever.
Compare it t the reality of women's life under Qadaffi. *oh snap*
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Women face setbacks in new Libya - AlMonitor
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/ori...murder-situation-gaddafi-regime-militias.html
In terms of legislation, the biggest setback has probably been the annulment of Gadhafi-era legislation virtually banning polygamy...
During the Gadhafi era, women made steady progress in gaining access to education and work. It became very common to see female lawyers, judges, civilian pilots and university professors....
Libyan women being highly educated, as compared to the region...
 
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