How did Colonel Gaddafi get away with such evil for so long?

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Maybe a con will explain how we could congratulate bush for getting rid of Saddam while excoriating Hillary for orchestrating the removal of Gaddafi.

What a vile piece of work Colonel Gaddafi was.

For some of you, perhaps, this will be a statement of the glaringly obvious. But I suspect there will be many others for whom, like me, this week’s Storyville documentary on the barbarity of his regime — Mad Dog: Gaddafi’s Secret World (BBC4, Monday) — was something of a revelation.

Sure, we’d all heard about the funny stuff... But the nastier stuff came as news to me: killing his foreign secretary, then keeping him in a deep-freeze in his palace so that he could regularly have a gloat over the body; visiting classrooms of 15- and 16-year-old girls, patting the ones he fancied on their heads, then having them dragged off by his security, gynaecologically inspected and shown pornographic videos (to educate them in his expectations) before raping them and then having them put away in asylums; deliberately shooting down one of his own domestic airliners, partly for the sheer hell of it, partly as a ruse to show the West that its sanctions were hurting Libya so badly that it couldn’t afford to maintain its own aircraft…

Perhaps I’m being naive here, given the murder outside the Libyan embassy in London of PC Yvonne Fletcher, not to mention the destruction of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie. A dictator capable of such barbarities, surely, would be capable of anything? Well, yes, indeed. But how could we be sure he was personally responsible?

What becomes pretty clear watching this fascinating, supremely well-researched documentary — filmed everywhere from South Africa to Cuba, interviewing everyone from his arms dealer Frank Terpil to his head of protocol and one of his female bodyguards — is that Gaddafi was in it up to the neck in all these crimes and more. We haven’t even touched, yet, on the victims of every IRA bomb containing Semtex shipped from Libyan ports; nor on the women and children butchered in the Sierra Leonean and Liberian civil wars that Gaddafi bankrolled and that cost the lives of more than a million people...

It suited Gaddafi’s interests, obviously, because it enabled him to get away with murder, while terrifying his people and perpetually wrongfooting his subordinates with his Caligula-like capriciousness. It suited the leaders of the West — Reagan and Thatcher among the few exceptions — because Libya’s oil reserves were too useful.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/why-the-west-let-gaddafi-get-away-with-murder/
 
Sounds like Gaddafi was exactly like Saddam and his sons...raping, throwing homos from roof tops, etc....

Neither was any good. why praise Hillary and excoriate Bush ?

Fact was, neither was a danger to the US even though we heard about Saddam and WMD for almost a decade before 2002
 
NOVA said:
Sounds like Gaddafi was exactly like Saddam and his sons...raping, throwing homos from roof tops, etc....
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What do you get out of talking this way? There must be some deep need a few of you have that throwing the word "homo" around fulfills. Can you explain it to me? I would like to understand.
 
Storyville documentary
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no. it's just "storytime" -not a documentary- this is the same bunch who made up crap about his keeping virgin sex slaves locked up for his pleasures
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Lockerbie bombing 'was work of Iran, not Libya' says former spy

The Lockerbie bombing was ordered by Iran and carried out by a Syrian-based terrorist group, a former Iranian intelligence officer has admitted.

Abolghassem Mesbahi, a defector to Germany, said Pan Am flight 103 was downed in 1988 in retaliation for a US Navy strike on an Iranian commercial jet six months earlier, in which 290 people died.
He claims the Ayatollah Khomeini, who was Iran’s Supreme Leader, ordered the bombing “to copy exactly what happened to the Iranian Airbus”.

The new evidence not only casts new doubt on the conviction of Megrahi, but adds weight to previous claims that the truth about the bombing was covered up by Britain and the US because they did not want to antagonise Syria, a key power on the doorstep of Saddam Hussein’s Iraq.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/why-the-west-let-gaddafi-get-away-with-murder/
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the rest of this ( by and large) is recycled claptrap. But he was a dictator and he was eccentric.
There have been all kinds of books supposedly as "tell alls" they fall apart under examination.

Most importantly whatever Qadaffi did or didn't do - not even Hillary Clinton or Susan Rice made any claims about Qadaffi depravity
as a reason to assassinate him.
They did their own concoction of fantasy story about "Viagra Rape" however
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The Top Ten Myths in the War Against Libya (August 31, 2011)
In a startling declaration to the UN Security Council, U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice also asserted that Gaddafi was supplying his troops with Viagra to encourage mass rape. She offered no evidence whatsoever to back up her claim. Indeed, U.S. military and intelligence sources flatly contradicted Rice, telling NBC News that “there is no evidence that Libyan military forces are being given Viagra and engaging in systematic rape against women in rebel areas”. Rice is a liberal interventionist who was one of those to persuade Obama to intervene in Libya. She utilized this myth because it helped her make the case at the UN that there was no “moral equivalence” between Gaddafi’s human rights abuses and those of the insurgents.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton also declared that “Gadhafi’s security forces and other groups in the region are trying to divide the people by using violence against women and rape as tools of war, and the United States condemns this in the strongest possible terms”. She added that she was “deeply concerned” by these reports of “wide-scale rape”.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/31/the-top-ten-myths-in-the-war-against-libya/
 
christiefan915 said:
Anatta, are you saying Gadaffi was one of the good guys?
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he's a complex character. It's a long complex relationship with the US/west
He gets vilified by the Usual Suspects ( Brits/France) - France because of their neo-colonialism in Africa
and the Brits for some tabloid reasoning (?)..

the best way to look at him is what he did for his country, and what he did to combat terrorism.
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Why Gaddafi's Now a Good Guy

At the time, it may have sounded like the typical ramblings of the Libyan leader. But now, a year later, Gaddafi and Bush do apparently see eye to eye.
On Monday, Gaddafi accomplished one of history's great diplomatic turnarounds when Secretary of State Condeleezza Rice announced that the U.S. was restoring full diplomatic relations with Libya and held up the Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya as "a model" for others to follow.
Rice attributed the ending of the U.S.'s long break in diplomatic relations to Gaddafi's historic decision in 2003 to dismantle weapons of mass destruction and renounce terrorism as well as Libya's "excellent cooperation in response to common global threats faced by the civilized world since September 11, 2001."...
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1194766,00.html

He did the Great Man Made River, free health care for his people, guaranteed housing, and most importantly the oil wealth was in the name of the Libyan people...
He was considered a bulwark against Syrian and African terrorism -letting the CIA and SAS operate in the east (Bengazi)
...much more -but those off the top of my head.
 
Darla said:
What do you get out of talking this way? There must be some deep need a few of you have that throwing the word "homo" around fulfills. Can you explain it to me? I would like to understand.
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He's uneducated ex military
He thinks that's tough
 
When the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi was captured and killed in October 2011, no one was in any doubt about the horrors he had inflicted on opponents. Thousands had been imprisoned, tortured or murdered during his 42-year regime. But few knew of his other poisonous legacy - the rape and imprisonment of hundreds if not thousands of young women to fulfil his sexual fantasies.

Annick Cojean is an award-winning French journalist who noticed, covering the downfall of Gaddafi for Le Monde, how few women were vocal in the revolution. She heard stories of girls being abducted by Gaddafi and used for sex, sometimes for a day, sometimes kept for years. She made it her mission to uncover the fate of these forgotten women. Procured for Gaddafi by his posse of helpers, cajoled into meeting with the dictator by false promises, girls, often in their early teens, were sought out at official visits to schools and other public occasions. A signal by Gaddafi would indicate which young girl presenting him with flowers he wished to procure.

The irony was that Gaddafi was lecturing other Arab nations on the rights of women. Ostensibly, he seemed progressive. He raised the legal age for marriage to 20; granted rights for divorced women, and, in 1979, opened a Military Academy for women. Many of his personal bodyguards were women. When Cojean investigated, it transpired that most were part of his harem, rewarded with presents for compliance, punished or even executed for escape.

The book contains the harrowing testimonies of several women. Soraya was plucked from school aged 15. She was then imprisoned and forced to participate in frenzied sex sessions in which the dictator would bite, hit and even urinate on her. Escape was futile: she was now seen as "soiled" in Libyan society. Her family rejected her."

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...-cojean-trans-marjolijn-de-jager-8901967.html
 
He instituted Shari'ah law in Libya also.

Qadhafi instituted an Islamization and Arabization campaign to cleanse Libyan society of Western influence. He removed Latin street signs, banned the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, closed the U.S. and British bases, and expelled both foreigners and much of the Libyan Jewish communities.[7] He converted Tripoli's cathedral to a mosque and Benghazi's cathedral to a headquarters for the Arab Socialist Union. Prior to their expulsion, Qadhafi forced the Italian community to exhume the remains of their dead to take back to Italy, an event he televised live.

On April 15, 1973, Qadhafi moved to cement power, unfettered by commitments to Cairo. He launched a systematic assault on the Libyan bureaucracy and intelligentsia. Speaking in Zuwarah, he delivered what became known as his "Five-Point Address," in which he declared:

  • suspension of all existing laws and implementation of Shari'a (Islamic law)
  • purging the country of the politically sick
  • creation of a people's militia to protect the revolution
  • administrative revolution; and
  • cultural revolution[9]

The speech was replete with religious symbolism. Delivered on the Prophet Muhammad's birthday, the five points paralleled the five pillars of Islam. The Zuwarah address marked the start of Qadhafi's absolute rule. He canceled school summer vacation and dispatched Benghazi University law students and clerics from Al-Azhar University in Cairo to indoctrinate primary and secondary students in his political vision. I was an eighth grade student at the time and forced to attend the summer "cultural school." We were indoctrinated with revolutionary rhetoric and religious teachings.

Qadhafi's speeches reflected his ruthlessness. He warned anyone who tried to organize politically that they would face repression. "I could at any moment send them to the People's Court … and the People's Court will issue a sentence of death based on this law, because execution is the fate of anyone who forms a political party," Qadhafi said during a speech in Tripoli on November 9, 1974.[10] He backed his threats with action. There were public hangings and mutilations of political opponents.

http://www.meforum.org/878/libya-and-the-us-qadhafi-unrepentant
 
christiefan915 said:
Maybe a con will explain how we could congratulate bush for getting rid of Saddam while excoriating Hillary for orchestrating the removal of Gaddafi.

What a vile piece of work Colonel Gaddafi was.

For some of you, perhaps, this will be a statement of the glaringly obvious. But I suspect there will be many others for whom, like me, this week’s Storyville documentary on the barbarity of his regime — Mad Dog: Gaddafi’s Secret World (BBC4, Monday) — was something of a revelation.

Sure, we’d all heard about the funny stuff... But the nastier stuff came as news to me: killing his foreign secretary, then keeping him in a deep-freeze in his palace so that he could regularly have a gloat over the body; visiting classrooms of 15- and 16-year-old girls, patting the ones he fancied on their heads, then having them dragged off by his security, gynaecologically inspected and shown pornographic videos (to educate them in his expectations) before raping them and then having them put away in asylums; deliberately shooting down one of his own domestic airliners, partly for the sheer hell of it, partly as a ruse to show the West that its sanctions were hurting Libya so badly that it couldn’t afford to maintain its own aircraft…

Perhaps I’m being naive here, given the murder outside the Libyan embassy in London of PC Yvonne Fletcher, not to mention the destruction of Pan Am 103 over Lockerbie. A dictator capable of such barbarities, surely, would be capable of anything? Well, yes, indeed. But how could we be sure he was personally responsible?

What becomes pretty clear watching this fascinating, supremely well-researched documentary — filmed everywhere from South Africa to Cuba, interviewing everyone from his arms dealer Frank Terpil to his head of protocol and one of his female bodyguards — is that Gaddafi was in it up to the neck in all these crimes and more. We haven’t even touched, yet, on the victims of every IRA bomb containing Semtex shipped from Libyan ports; nor on the women and children butchered in the Sierra Leonean and Liberian civil wars that Gaddafi bankrolled and that cost the lives of more than a million people...

It suited Gaddafi’s interests, obviously, because it enabled him to get away with murder, while terrifying his people and perpetually wrongfooting his subordinates with his Caligula-like capriciousness. It suited the leaders of the West — Reagan and Thatcher among the few exceptions — because Libya’s oil reserves were too useful.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/why-the-west-let-gaddafi-get-away-with-murder/
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To answer your question what was the threat of Gaddafi to the U.S.?
 
Darla said:
What do you get out of talking this way? There must be some deep need a few of you have that throwing the word "homo" around fulfills. Can you explain it to me? I would like to understand.
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I wonder why you lefties throw various forms of retarded around. Glass houses miss.
 
Darla said:
What do you get out of talking this way? There must be some deep need a few of you have that throwing the word "homo" around fulfills. Can you explain it to me? I would like to understand.
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Its too burdensome to type homosexual all the time......its not too complicated for you is it ?

Something like using 'cons' and 'libs'.....saves bandwidth too....
 
christiefan915 said:
When the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi was captured and killed in October 2011, no one was in any doubt about the horrors he had inflicted on opponents. Thousands had been imprisoned, tortured or murdered during his 42the rape and imprisonment of hundreds if not thousands of young women to fulfil his sexual fantasies. Annick Cojean
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good lord. I cannot believe you even contemplate this harlequin novel ..it's pure sensationalism trash.

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christiefan915 said:
Apparently reagan thought there was a threat since he had Libya bombed in 1986.
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Ok, but we're talking about 2011 here. Gaddafi took down a plane if I'm not mistaken back in '86. You asked about Iraq and Libya. We had a policy of supporting regime change in Iraq so Saddam was on our list. Was Gaddafi was on our watch list?
 
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