How did Colonel Gaddafi get away with such evil for so long?

Milagro said:
The UN should have put in a peacekeeping force with a robust mandate unlike in Bosnia. Cameron and Obama just sat on their hands and watched from the sidelines. Libya is not Iraq, there isn't the Sunni-Shia rift for a start and it's a big country with a small population.
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ridiculous. Libya is fractured -but not in a hot civil war ( except the Misrata Brigades going after ISIS@ Sirte).
There are bombings and militia out breaks- but the spasms of 2013-2015 have calmed down to a protracted stalemate
with Gen.Hiftar and the House of Representatives in the east ( Bengazi/Tobruk, etc.) & Islamist government of the GNC that kicked out the HoR after the Tripoli airport battle ( which became the HoR in the east)

The Tripoli-based administration said it was standing down to prevent further bloodshed -but it hasn't -
though the new Government of National Accord (UN Gov't) has tried to run the various ministries.
It's mostly working out of a naval base- although the people of Tripoli are open to anything better.

There is no place for a UN "peacekeeping" force, and the Libyan people do not want westerners involved.
( the one thing they ALL agree upon!) :rolleyes:

Best you take a look at my Libyan Civil War thread on DCJunkies to catch up. I cover all the politics, as well as the wars.
Start from the last page, and work back (more recent to earlier)
Libyan Civil War 20-14 to Present <-- blog link
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Good point. Libya is a country where democracy spreading *might* have worked since its small enough to manage with minimal peace keeping forces. But as we learned in Iraq, that takes a long term political commitment.

Go in, kill the secular despot and leave? You and I know better than to do that and so does Trump.
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Killing Qaddafi fractured Libya into localized militia rule; democracy was had at the barrel of a gun -which is the ultimate irony,
considering it was the neocons( like Clinton/Rice) who brought that same policy to bare against Qadafi
 
here is an ex. of the government(s) situation in Libya today..
http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/envoy-recognition-libyas-eastern-government-40368972

UN Envoy: No Recognition for Libya's Eastern Government
The unity government has started working in the capital, Tripoli, but without a vote of confidence from the eastern parliament.

Al-Thinni's easter-based, interim government is recognized by the elected parliament, also seated in eastern Libya.
Al-Thinni had served as defense minister after the ouster and killing of Libya's longtime dictator Moammar Gadhafi.

After Gadhafi's downfall, Libya sunk into lawlessness and chaos, facing a myriad of militias vying for influence and an emerging Islamic State affiliate.
Since 2014, the country has been split between two different parliaments, each with their own government.

The new, U.N.-brokered unity government established this year is trying to overcome those divisions.
 
anatta said:
ridiculous. Libya is fractured -but not in a hot civil war ( except the Misrata Brigades going after ISIS@ Sirte).
There are bombings and militia out breaks- but the spasms of 2013-2015 have calmed down to a protracted stalemate
with Gen.Hiftar and the House of Representatives in the east ( Bengazi/Tobruk, etc.) & Islamist government of the GNC that kicked out the HoR after the Tripoli airport battle ( which became the HoR in the east)

The Tripoli-based administration said it was standing down to prevent further bloodshed -but it hasn't -
though the new Government of National Accord (UN Gov't) has tried to run the various ministries.
It's mostly working out of a naval base- although the people of Tripoli are open to anything better.

There is no place for a UN "peacekeeping" force, and the Libyan people do not want westerners involved.
( the one thing they ALL agree upon!) :rolleyes:

Best you take a look at my Libyan Civil War thread on DCJunkies to catch up. I cover all the politics, as well as the wars.
Start from the last page, and work back (more recent to earlier)
Libyan Civil War 20-14 to Present <-- blog link
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No, U won't be doing that!

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Milagro said:
No, I won't be doing that!

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I can't you use Tapatalk to access this forum, so I'm using Ez Forum instead. There was a call for a UN peacekeeping force back in 2011 but nobody wanted to do it. Please don't tell that the Libyans didn't want it as I will treat that with same scepticism as when people said that the Iraqi s wanted the troops to go!!

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Milagro said:
I can't use Tapatalk to access this forum, so I'm using Ez Forum instead. There was a call for a UN peacekeeping force back in 2011 but nobody wanted to do it. Please don't tell that the Libyans didn't want it as I will treat that with same scepticism as when people said that the Iraqi s wanted the troops to go!!

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http://blogs.cfr.org/patrick/2011/08/25/un-peacekeeping-ready-for-libya/

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Milagro said:
I can't you use Tapatalk to access this forum, so I'm using Ez Forum instead. There was a call for a UN peacekeeping force back in 2011 but nobody wanted to do it. Please don't tell that the Libyans didn't want it as I will treat that with same scepticism as when people said that the Iraqi s wanted the troops to go!!
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well check out my thread/blog when you can - lots of current updates//photos. I use western sources , but also the Libya Observer, al-Monitor,and more.

your link to the "UN Force" is August 2011 -before Qaddafi was killed. After he was killed -the NTC took over Tripoli and started to use militias for security.
The "milita rule" spread -even to localized brigades.

Inserting a UN force into such a fractured mess would have been impossible out side of Tripoli - and even Tripoli succumbed to the militias.
The PM was kidnapped ( and released),Gen. Hiftar shelled the Parliament, and the Tripoli Airport battle completely routed the leftover NTC force when the Islamists took over; that's how the rump gov't went to Tobruk ( after spending some time on a ferry boat).
Again all this is covered in my blog- but I don't see any role for a UN force then or now.

The people want/wanted stability -then and now. They can't get it until the politicians accept some kina unity.
The politicians of all factions do not want the UN in. They don't even want western forces to fight ISIS

The SAS and the CIA have small minor presences -negotiated with the local factions.
To my knowledge no actual government want them...but that wouldn't be published anyhow.
 
anatta said:
ridiculous. Libya is fractured -but not in a hot civil war ( except the Misrata Brigades going after ISIS@ Sirte).
There are bombings and militia out breaks- but the spasms of 2013-2015 have calmed down to a protracted stalemate
with Gen.Hiftar and the House of Representatives in the east ( Bengazi/Tobruk, etc.) & Islamist government of the GNC that kicked out the HoR after the Tripoli airport battle ( which became the HoR in the east)

The Tripoli-based administration said it was standing down to prevent further bloodshed -but it hasn't -
though the new Government of National Accord (UN Gov't) has tried to run the various ministries.
It's mostly working out of a naval base- although the people of Tripoli are open to anything better.

There is no place for a UN "peacekeeping" force, and the Libyan people do not want westerners involved.
( the one thing they ALL agree upon!) :rolleyes:

Best you take a look at my Libyan Civil War thread on DCJunkies to catch up. I cover all the politics, as well as the wars.
Start from the last page, and work back (more recent to earlier)
Libyan Civil War 20-14 to Present <-- blog link
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Cross board traffic.
You are lucky Billy is on vacation this year.
 
anatta said:
Killing Qaddafi fractured Libya into localized militia rule; democracy was had at the barrel of a gun -which is the ultimate irony,
considering it was the neocons( like Clinton/Rice) who brought that same policy to bare against Qadafi
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It is bear.
You can bare a breast but you must bear a burden.
 
Milagro said:
Bullshit!

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anatta loves him some Gaddaffy duck.
Yummy!
Man made river!
$.16 gas!
Free car loans!
Housing is a right!
100% despotic controll of government/industry
Hmm, anatta is a fascist!
Almost forgot; freedom to rape. Is that the magic anatta?
 
Rune said:
Cross board traffic.
You are lucky Billy is on vacation this year.
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Bill is here . did you bring your dunce cap for today?
cross board traffic isn't a bad thing unless it'scarrying on an argument or making references to things the board memebrs don't know about.
Why I linked it
 
Rune said:
anatta loves him some Gaddaffy duck.
Yummy!
Man made river!
$.16 gas!
Free car loans!
Housing is a right!
100% despotic controll of government/industry
Hmm, anatta is a fascist!
Almost forgot; freedom to rape. Is that the magic anatta?
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what color is today's dunce cap? you generally look good in a powder blue.
The "rape" as a Qadaffi weapon of war is bullshit-although it's common enough in Africa.

The Man Made river was a project in stages - NATO blew up the pipe factory along with Libya's economy.

NATO bombs the Great Man-Made River
https://humanrightsinvestigations.org/2011/07/27/great-man-made-river-nato-bombs/
is a war crime to attack essential civilian infrastructure. 95% of Libya is desert and 70% of Libyans depend on water which is piped in from the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System under the southern desert. The water pipe infrastructure is probably the most essential civilian infrastructure in Libya. Key to its continued function, particularly in time of war, is the Brega pipe factory which enables leaks and breaks in the system to be repaired.
100s of pipes at this facility, out in the desert south of Brega, make it clear, even from the air, that this is a pipe-production plant:
 
I just realized ILA is banned from this thread. I was wondering what set him off. He actually went through this thread, groaned every post I made on it, then ungroaned them, then groaned them again. I kept getting all these notifications and was like what the hell. I don't even know how many times he did it. LOL

I really do rile em up.
 
ILA is having a total meltdown. I just received SIXTEEN notifications. He's going through this thread groaning, ungroaning, and regroaning all of my posts. I feel kinda bad that I make them so unhinged...ha not really. I laugh.
 
57 new groans within 2 minutes, he went through the entire first few pages of my profile. This is what I do - drive white males into complete unhinged meltdowns. It's awesome. Man, I wish I could figure out a way to monetize these dudes!
 

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57 new groans within 2 minutes, he went through the entire first few pages of my profile. This is what I do - drive white males into complete unhinged meltdowns. It's awesome. Man, I wish I could figure out a way to monetize these dudes!


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Hey- I've got one of those- the Canute fool from the UK. Up until some other diminished wanker started ' groaning ' yesterday ' he's been The Old Groaner for months. I could turn him off but it's more entertaining watching him demean himself.
 
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