the minimum wage: reality check

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Let me deconstruct your yet another one of your attempts to validate your assertion:

1. You were 41 and with a bachelors degree when you went back to school....you weren't a college kid and you had 20 years to in the job market to build a life and some savings.


I had no savings.

I was a broke part-time college student working on a 2nd Bachelor's Degree (Chemical Engineering), before I went to the UK in 1998 to work as a consultant on a documentary film, before going with a Channel 4 film crew to Serbia, during the period of NATO air strikes in 1999. After a few months in Serbia I left and went to Romania and lived from 1999 to 2001 and didn't work during that time. Then I returned....broke...to the US to go to back to school.

the ferret responds: Your tale gets taller with each response. So NOW, you're a penniless part-time college student working a on a 2nd Bachelor's degree.....this means you were on student loans up to your wazoo. But magically, you can pony up the the air fare to the UK (RELATIVELY EXPENSIVE THEN AS IT IS NOW) to be a consultant in contested war zone that VETTED, SEASONED JOURNALIST FROM REPUTABLE NEWS AGENCIES HAD DIFFICULTY GETTING PERMISSION/ACCESS. (how the hell did you gain the experience to get that fresh out of college....must've been a hell of a work study program!). Then you magically (again!) move to a take up residence in a foreign country WITH NO JOB... magically (again!) pony up the air fare to return to the USA...broke...and take up with school again. :rolleyes: Yeah, right....GMAFB!


Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
2. You made a CHOICE to go back...meaning that you already had a life of financially supporting yourself as an adult with no outstanding college debt.


So?

The ferret responds: So AGAIN, the average college kid does NOT have a background of 20 years to build a life or savings (the latter which you claim you didn't have), and unlike you, they graduate with a student loan DEBT waiting less than a year to pounce on them. Whether you acknowledge the difference or not, there is no comparison. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

I was starting over just like everybody else. I rented a room in a house with mostly foreign students. I had no car payment, no car -- so no insurance -- and I wasn't dumb enough to pay $600 for an iPhone. I didn't waste money on frivolous things like the latest fashions, so no, I didn't have $200 Nike shoes, either.

the ferret responds: How did you rent the room...barter and trade with the landlord? Remember, you said you were BROKE! So again, either you had 20 years of savings to use, or someone footed some of the bills for you, or your story is just a convoluted creation that doesn't bear up under examination...as my previous responses here shows.

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
3. You received $12 grand as a "TA" (whatever that is)....


TA is a Teaching Assistant. You grade papers mostly and teach a few classes when the professor is away doing professor things.

the ferret responds: And IF that is true, it STILL doesn't explain all the financial requirements you had to meet prior to this...or the painfully obvious flaws in your story that I deconstructed in th previous post and the previous responses here.



Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
...that was in addition to whatever cash you saved up over the years to put to your endeavor, because you sure as hell didn't just come off the street flat broke.

But, I did come off the street flat broke.

the ferret responds: that is a lie, as I logically pointed out in the previous responses here.

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
You got your masters, then got a deal teaching for tuition.

So, I was one of the fortunate few who had an high enough GPA to qualify for a cushy TA program to get my Master's. It's not my fault other students didn't study hard enough. Getting a stipend meant I only had to work part-time at a minimum wage job, instead of full-time. It's real hard, but not impossible, to find part-time jobs that let you work around your classes.

the ferret responds: See previous responses. Your story just doesn't add up given time frames, financial requirements, and the minimum wage at the time which would NOT have covered your undergrad tuition, as your TA job would have just put a dent in your (alleged) Masters tuition. As I've said before, the debt you would have accumulated IF one was ignorant enough to take your tale at face value would be staggering by standards 30 years ago as they are today....YET you claimed poverty at every turn. :rolleyes:


Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
4. No one is faulting your drive and success...but I am pointing out the sheer stupidity of comparing your situation to the everyday college kid, who at 18 to 21 sure as hell doesn't have your resources, experience and is laden with debt just to get a BA. So your bitching about the minimum wage is just that...bitching. No one forced you to take the path you took, but jealousy that you missed out on a minimum wage hike is just childish.

There's nothing stupid about it. The only difference between those kids and I was that I worked and they didn't.


the ferret responds: Who says college kids are NOT working part time jobs? The whole point here is that the minimum wage does NOT give a person adequate financial breathing room to do much but pay either a bill or buy food. Yes, college kids on student loans or taking part time courses work minimum wage jobs.....I'm just point out the how utterly fantastic your tale is..and how obviously bias and jealous you are of others to accuse folk of being lazy because you "allegedly" had a hard time in life.

They voluntarily choose to saddle themselves with Student Loan Debt, instead of going to school part-time and working part-time or full-time to pay for their education. They could have gone to a less expensive junior college then transferred to a State or private school.

the ferret responds: newflash for ya, son.....you work full time, you take night courses or part time curriculum that takes a LONG time to get that degree...let alone pay those tuition bills. Junior college is the same deal, albeit to a somewhat lesser financial degree. The burden is relieved if YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY ROOM AND BOARD...so many college kids live at home or try to board up in group apt. situations...but the financial burden exists....AND THEY DON'T HAVE 20 YEARS BEHIND THEM to accumulate a nest egg. I went to junior college and then finished out at a 4 year....worked campus jobs to help pay for the books, food...but I lived at home with my parents because local jobs could NOT meet the tuition, and the loans only partially helped. I wasn't unique...that was the STANDARD for a plethora of students across the country! So again and again, when one takes apart your story piece by piece, it's just that...a story.

I attended the University of Cincinnati instead of the more expensive Miami University or a private college like Xavier University.

You can see the fee schedule here (for 2003)

https://www.uc.edu/content/dam/uc/bursar/docs/Fee_Schedule_03-04.pdf

Now, I'm semi-retired, consulting part-time and spending the rest of my time in leisurely pursuits.


the ferret responds: And your point? Since you claimed to be broke at 40 before returning to school...the TOTAL costs would be out of your reach. As I addressed in previous responses, your claims just keep contradicting each other.

Bottom line: Your not credible.




Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
True, but unlike the typical Koch brother backed/created think tank, they didn't ignore certain historical facts to reach their conclusions, as this gentleman points out: Examining a time-series from 1945 through 2014, I find no statistically significant correlation between annual inflation rates and the inflation-adjusted value of the minimum wage.

The flaw in his methodology, is that he isn't using the nominal value for minimum wage.

Your flaw is that you don't read thoroughly and comprehensively, but jump on excerpts...let alone spin a tale that is credible. I just wanted the reader to see how intellectually dishonest you are. I'm done with you
 
The whole point of this thread is about the FACT that the vast majority of folk on minimum wage cannot live within the COLA, and they are NOT privy to negotiation or relocation or constant job changing. You have to be employed for a period of time before asking for a raise...and if you can't live on the salary you're getting, that wait (which does NOT guarantee a raise upon meeting with the manager) can seem or actually be a LONG time.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if the world functioned as you do here, NOTHING would get done or resolved. To put it bluntly, any clown can have an opinion and trumpet it as if it's bonafide fact and reality. PROVING it is whole other smoke....and YOU fail to prove what you say beyond opinion, supposition and conjecture. So it seems you've got NOTHING in response to simple challenge except to ignore it and move the goal post/dodge to another question. A pathetic tactic on your part.

I don't have to prove anything. And all you have done is spout off your opponents opinion. Where does this right to a "living wage" stem from? Where is it written that an employer owes you anything. You need to grow the fuck up.

The law of supply and demand doesn't mean that you get to demand it and the government supplies it
 
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I don't have to prove anything. And all you have done is spout off your opponents opinion. Where does this right to a "living wage" stem from? Where is it written that an employer owes you anything. You need to grow the fuck up.

The law of supply and demand doesn't mean that you get to demand it and the government supplies it

See folks, the imbecile admits that he doesn't have to prove anything he says is valid. Then he lies about my backing what I say with factual sources...something the chronology of the posts shows. In short, ILA is just some stupid right wing crank with an axe to grind. After awhile, trying to have a rational debate with an idiot like ILA is like banging your head against the wall....it feels so good when you stop. I'm done with this chump.
 
Where does this right to a "living wage" stem from? Where is it written that an employer owes you anything. You need to grow the fuck up.

The law of supply and demand doesn't mean that you get to demand it and the government supplies it

It's not the responsibility of a business to pay someone a higher wage than their skills are worth based on personal situations.
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Truth in the perfect simplicity of common sense.....

Funny how liberals can't face the simple reality of life.....
 
See folks, the imbecile admits that he doesn't have to prove anything he says is valid. Then he lies about my backing what I say with factual sources...something the chronology of the posts shows. In short, ILA is just some stupid right wing crank with an axe to grind. After awhile, trying to have a rational debate with an idiot like ILA is like banging your head against the wall....it feels so good when you stop. I'm done with this chump.

I notice you still ignore me. In short, you're a coward that can't support his claims and runs like a little bitch when he can't. You'll come up with some excuse as to why you ignore me. It's a lie much like your miserable life.
 
Let's stay a little more grounded with what we know now, not projections:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/why-raising-the-minimum-wage-is-good-economics/


What we know is that those demanding a higher minimum wage haven't said a damn thing about what they will do for that increase. All that's been said is they want one handed to them. Tell you what, when they provide something worth the increase they demand in the way of skills, they'll get the increase. Until then, what they do is nothing but whine and convince idiots like you they're worth what they demand. If they were, they'd be getting it based on what they offer in return.
 
Where does this right to a "living wage" stem from? Where is it written that an employer owes you anything. You need to grow the fuck up.

The law of supply and demand doesn't mean that you get to demand it and the government supplies it

It's not the responsibility of a business to pay someone a higher wage than their skills are worth based on personal situations.
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Truth in the perfect simplicity of common sense.....

Funny how liberals can't face the simple reality of life.....

to answer your silly ass questions:

http://nationalparalegal.edu/conLawCrimProc_Public/Federalism/CongressionalPowers.asp

And spare us all this parroted bullshit about the free market....because if the market were indeed free, then monopolies that FAIL the people (i.e., business franchises that don't pay a living wage to the point where their employees are supplementing with food stamps) would not exist, now would they?

If the skills are providing that business with record profits, then a raise would not kill them, would it?

Read through the thread, you willfully ignorant cretin. Just because you have yours, doesn't mean you disparage others from obtaining theirs? Or are you so intent on the race to the bottom for this country that you're willing to forgo your usual whine about welfare and food stamp recipients?
 
to answer your silly ass questions:

http://nationalparalegal.edu/conLawCrimProc_Public/Federalism/CongressionalPowers.asp

And spare us all this parroted bullshit about the free market....because if the market were indeed free, then monopolies that FAIL the people (i.e., business franchises that don't pay a living wage to the point where their employees are supplementing with food stamps) would not exist, now would they?

If the skills are providing that business with record profits, then a raise would not kill them, would it?

Read through the thread, you willfully ignorant cretin. Just because you have yours, doesn't mean you disparage others from obtaining theirs? Or are you so intent on the race to the bottom for this country that you're willing to forgo your usual whine about welfare and food stamp recipients?


"If the skills are providing that business with record profits, then a raise would not kill them, would it?"

The typical Liberal mentality of thinking that it's your place to determine such a thing on behalf someone else and money that isn't yours. How about you stick to minding your own damn business.

Are you so intent on thinking that someone else's money is yours to determine how to spend that you'll defend some freeloading food stamp and welfare leech?

You're welcome to give anyone any amount of YOUR money you want. However, you aren't free to give them mine. You'll have to come and take it from me first and we both know you can't.
 
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