the minimum wage: reality check

moon2012 said:
Man, a falsified quote and a kid's emoticon. Gormless twat.
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You're the one, socialist, that thinks someone that has more than you should be forced to fund what you can't earn on your own in order that you have it.

That's socialism and you claimed you are a socialist.
 
CFM said:
You're the one, socialist, that thinks someone that has more than you should be forced to fund what you can't earn on your own in order that you have it.

That's socialism and you claimed you are a socialist.
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Don't try to engage in politics, Pooper- you're a scatalogical throwback to the early days of trolling. Stick to what you're famed for.
 
moon2012 said:
Don't try to engage in politics, Pooper- you're a scatalogical throwback to the early days of trolling. Stick to what you're famed for.
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What I said must apply to you freeloader. Afraid to address it. You should be. The last time you did, you admitted to being a piece of shit.

Are you afraid to earn your own way or is it that you know you can't and the only way you'll ever have anything in life is if someone else earns it and is forced to provide it to you? I'll take your avoidance as cowardice.
 
CFM said:
What I said must apply to you freeloader. Afraid to address it. You should be. The last time you did, you admitted to being a piece of shit.

Are you afraid to earn your own way or is it that you know you can't and the only way you'll ever have anything in life is if someone else earns it and is forced to provide it to you? I'll take your avoidance as cowardice.
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These fallacious ramblings are not the work of a sane person. It must get lonesome in the troll cave.
 
moon2012 said:
These fallacious ramblings are not the work of a sane person. It must get lonesome in the troll cave.
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Your socialist mindset are the ramblings of a freeloader. It must be a sad existence being unwilling to provide for yourself.
 
Mircea said:
I would have gotten paid the same or more anyway. If you don't know how to prove your worth and negotiate your pay, that's your problem, not mine.
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I don't think so.
You already admitted you spent years working for minimum wage.
 
cawacko said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Government does not and cannot compel employers to hire workers and pay them a given wage. What government does instead through minimum wage laws is to prohibit employment at lower wages. There is no guarantee that every job made illegal by this prohibition will be replaced by another higher-paying one. Indeed it is a virtual certainty that at least some jobs will not be.

So this is NOT a barrier, because the jobs that are currently under paying people (unable to exist with the cost-of-living on said wage) would be made to give that employee a fighting chance. With more money, more is spent in the local market and such. A "higher paying" job wouldn't be necessary based on the employees ability and such.
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You are correct that the employee who maintains his position at the higher rate benefits. The barrier to entry comes to those who skills don't match that higher rate and thus can't get hired.
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Wrong, because you ASSUME that the SAME job at a higher rate suddenly becomes a barrier. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE. The person working for $7.50 or $10.00/hr would get a raise to $15/hr. Same job, different pay.
 
I Love America said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Says who? come on, you stupid blowhard, gives us the legal definition. I dare you.
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Why s it wrong to work three jobs? Why do you care what they do. Someone's pay is between them and their employer
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Why do YOU having such a hissy fit that along with trying to ensure that selfish, delusional little shits like yourself have decent working conditions and are NOT exploited by the employer is trying to raise people out of poverty and off public assistance (i.e., food stamps)? I asked the other dummy for valid, documented proof of what he stated. Seems he can't provide such. Can you?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Wrong, because you ASSUME that the SAME job at a higher rate suddenly becomes a barrier. THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE. The person working for $7.50 or $10.00/hr would get a raise to $15/hr. Same job, different pay.
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It goes back to the person who is working the job for $10 who gets a raise to $15, and keeps his job, gets the benefit. The barrier is people who don't have the skill for that job at $15. At $15 what we'll see is an increase in automation and less jobs at that rate (compared to the number at $10). That's where the people with the lowest skill set get hurt the most. They are priced out of even entry level positions. That's your tradeoff.
 
Mircea said:
Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
And yet another right wing numbskull too cowardly to acknowledge that he CANNOT LOGICALLY OR FACTUALLY FAULT an OP that disproves a favorite right wing talking point. How fascist of you to want to maintain a system that financially wouldn't allow the fast food worker the time or resources to seek another job....because willfully ignorant cretins like yourself bitch and moan about people getting unemployment insurance! THINK, you idiot, THINK!
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The fast food worker has to make the time.

I did. I got two additional undergrad degrees, plus two graduate degrees working full-time or part-time for minimum wage.

It's all about desire. If they want it bad enough, they'll find a way.
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Actually, it's all about honesty...which obviously YOU are lacking. But let's say you're telling the truth; that would mean you would have had to live with your parents for a LOT more than 4 years in order to maintain a full/part time job AND put in the study hours AND course requirements. It would also mean that your minimum wage job would just BARELY cover book expenses, travel, what rent you'd throw your parents. Then there's the little matter of TUITION....as you can only be eligible for some much in loans from federal and private. SO, unless mommy and Daddy paid your tuition, or you became well off in the job market, you'd be either up to your ass in debt right now or could NOT afford to make a secondary degree, much less 2 undergraduate. Also, you would be a VERY OLD college student.

the majority of folk out there don't have parents well off enough to cover all those bases. So you'll understand why I find your little tale a lame fantasy.
 
I Love America said:
Its always easy to sit in the cheap seats and tell others how they should do things. These people are no different than the cry babies crying in their Starbucks because Pete Carroll threw the ball instead of giving it to Lynch. Armchair quarterbacks always think they have the answers but have the luxury of never having to prove it themselves
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Projecting much?
 
Taichiliberal said:
Why do YOU having such a hissy fit that along with trying to ensure that selfish, delusional little shits like yourself have decent working conditions and are NOT exploited by the employer is trying to raise people out of poverty and off public assistance (i.e., food stamps)? I asked the other dummy for valid, documented proof of what he stated. Seems he can't provide such. Can you?
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Well I think people are perfectly capable of determining what working conditions and salary they are willing to tolerate without do gooders like you poking your nose in. I don't pretend to know what every person values or desires. You obviously believe you have some enlightenment that has led you to the magical answer that $15/hour is suitable for all situations. Well good for you.
 
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