Lets make a deal...

I wonder why Bill Clinton plays word games and touts the 19 million jobs created under his watch when he speaks? Why doesn't he speak about how many consecutive months of job growth instead?

Maybe Hillary will come out with a plan, not for creating X number of millions of new jobs but, for getting 50 consecutive months of job growth.

That would make Zappa happy.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
You must understand, these are the same delusional minds who refuse to acknowledge Obama's policies have brought the US economy back from the brink of financial catastrophe Dubya had us poised upon.

Who refuse to accept the benefits to the working poor that the ACA has provided

Who simply refuse to accept some facts depending on which site a person chooses to link to.

And who just love derailing the discussion by playing their infantile semantic word games.
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To listen to the average right wingnut one might think the economy and our foreign policy is worse now than in the last months of the Bush administration.
Nothing could be farther from the truth by any measure.
 
Leonthecat said:
To listen to the average right wingnut one might think the economy and our foreign policy is worse now than in the last months of the Bush administration.
Nothing could be farther from the truth by any measure.
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Their blind refusal to acknowledge the positive economic numbers resulting from the Obama presidency, that are there for everyone to see, is beyond astounding.

They'd much rather play their infantile "gotcha" semantic word games than acknowledge the unprecedented 56 months of continuous job creation, A RECORD UNMATCHED by any President in the history of this great nation.

So they play their games and spew their litany of taunts and insults.

It's all the crybaby Righties at JPP have...they certainly won't discuss the facts.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Their blind refusal to acknowledge the positive economic numbers resulting from the Obama presidency, that are there for everyone to see, is beyond astounding.

They'd much rather play their infantile "gotcha" semantic word games than acknowledge the unprecedented 56 months of continuous job creation, A RECORD UNMATCHED by any President in the history of this great nation.

So they play their games and spew their litany of taunts and insults.

It's all the crybaby Righties at JPP have...they certainly won't discuss the facts.
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How much irony and lying can one thread contain? This is attempting to match that record. Well done Zap.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Their blind refusal to acknowledge the positive economic numbers resulting from the Obama presidency, that are there for everyone to see, is beyond astounding.

They'd much rather play their infantile "gotcha" semantic word games than acknowledge the unprecedented 56 months of continuous job creation, A RECORD UNMATCHED by any President in the history of this great nation.

So they play their games and spew their litany of taunts and insults.

It's all the crybaby Righties at JPP have...they certainly won't discuss the facts.
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Poor little Zappa... such a hypocrite you are. YOU are the only one playing word games. YOU made a statement. YOU were proven wrong. So NOW you try and pretend you were trying to state something other than that which you did.

There is NO gotcha attempt. YOU WERE WRONG. PERIOD.

Now... if you wish to CHANGE from your original comment to this new one. That is fine. We can certainly discuss Obama's consecutive months number. But stop pretending that you didn't say something else from the start.

Continuous months DOES NOT EQUAL best job growth.
 
Superfreak said:
Poor little Zappa... such a hypocrite you are. YOU are the only one playing word games. YOU made a statement. YOU were proven wrong. So NOW you try and pretend you were trying to state something other than that which you did.

There is NO gotcha attempt. YOU WERE WRONG. PERIOD.

Now... if you wish to CHANGE from your original comment to this new one. That is fine. We can certainly discuss Obama's consecutive months number. But stop pretending that you didn't say something else from the start.

Continuous months DOES NOT EQUAL best job growth.
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Being wrong is one thing, we've all been wrong. He's just flat out lying now.
 
So, lets compare the situation at the end of President Obama's term with that at the end of Bush's term....

American Troops are no longer dying by the hundreds in an unnecessary war in Iraq. (Speaking of the war in Iraq, is anyone left defending it, or have you whacks finally given that up?)
The Economy is no longer tanking.
The Housing Market is back on track and improving daily.
The banks are no longer failing by the dozen.
Individual freedom is growing...
The number of people with insurance is growing, not shrinking.
Healthcare inflation has slowed.

Name some things that were better.
 
Jarod said:
So, lets compare the situation at the end of President Obama's term with that at the end of Bush's term....

American Troops are no longer dying by the hundreds in an unnecessary war in Iraq. (Speaking of the war in Iraq, is anyone left defending it, or have you whacks finally given that up?)
The Economy is no longer tanking.
The Housing Market is back on track and improving daily.
The banks are no longer failing by the dozen.
Individual freedom is growing...

Name some things that were better.
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Silly boy...not a ONE of the things you mentioned demonstrate how things are better under Obama.

You're just another blind partisan hack who guzzles the Obama koolaid.
 
Feel free to join your boy Zap Jarod and tell us how 12 million jobs is better than 19 million jobs because they occurred over 56 months consecutively.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Silly boy...not a ONE of the things you mentioned demonstrate how things are better under Obama.

You're just another blind partisan hack who guzzles the Obama koolaid.
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Since you like Garud's cherry picking...

1) The number of US soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan increased dramatically under Obama
2) The Economy is faltering again
3) The deficit spending under Obama has been worse in each year than the worst under Bush (2008) and is projected to get worse again this year and future years thanks to Obama
4) Labor participation rate is far lower under Obama than Bush
5) Too big to fail banks are now bigger thanks to Obama and small local and regional banks ARE being forced out of the business, thanks to Obama and the Dems
6) The government has seized more control under Obama, so not sure how individual freedom is growing.
7) Obama has one of the least transparent Administrations we have seen in the past 50 years.

That said, it is truly comical that Garud is trying to compare the end of the two Presidencies when one had the financial collapse (caused in large part by the DEMOCRAT bill Clinton repealling Glass Steagall and deregulating the big banks)
 
Superfreak said:
Since you like Garud's cherry picking...

1) The number of US soldiers killed in action in Afghanistan increased dramatically under Obama
2) The Economy is faltering again
3) The deficit spending under Obama has been worse in each year than the worst under Bush (2008) and is projected to get worse again this year and future years thanks to Obama
4) Labor participation rate is far lower under Obama than Bush
5) Too big to fail banks are now bigger thanks to Obama and small local and regional banks ARE being forced out of the business, thanks to Obama and the Dems
6) The government has seized more control under Obama, so not sure how individual freedom is growing.
7) Obama has one of the least transparent Administrations we have seen in the past 50 years.

That said, it is truly comical that Garud is trying to compare the end of the two Presidencies when one had the financial collapse (caused in large part by the DEMOCRAT bill Clinton repealling Glass Steagall and deregulating the big banks)
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Okay, good we have something to discuss, just ignore the name calling and its like an old fashioned soda shop debate.

1. Yes, this is true, but from my perspective Afghanistan was/is justified. The war was not fully prosecuted until President Obama took over and directed the focus of military operations onto winning Afghanistan and away from continuing to lose Iraq. As long as we are comparing the two presidents.... Bush lost 4000+ in an unjustified war in Iraq. Obama lost much less finishing a necessary war in Afghanistan. I'm with Obama on this one.

2. Based on what are you claiming the Economy is faltering again? You have been saying that for 8 years. It would be normal to have had a recession in the last 8 years... where is it? Even if we have a recession this year, that would be much better than one would historically expect.

3. Yes, you have that. But the deficit has been reduced every year since 2008. In fact, In fiscal year 2009, which started almost four months before Obama's presidency began and ended eight months into it, the deficit was 9.8 percent of GDP. The 2014 shortfall is 2.8 percent of GDP -- a decrease of 71 percent "thanks to Obama and the Dems."

4. Yes, and as the baby boomers begin to retire it will be even worse. The way we measure unemployment has been the same since Clinton was president, so we are comparing apples to apples when we discuss the Unemployment rate, which is multitudes better under Obama's 8 years. The fact is that many more people who want to work are able to do so after 8 years of Obama than after 8 years of Bush.

5. This is true and I have to give it to you fully. I am unhappy about this fact. You got one.

6. How so? More Americans have the freedom to get married, smoke what they chose, and earn money. Many Americans (me) who once would have had to risk going without health insurance are now free to start a small business are now able to do so knowing that they cannot be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition. (FREEDOM!)

7. How so, just saying shit like that does not make it true.
 
The 8 years of Bush's presidency yielded 1.1 million jobs created.

Obama's presidency has yielded 7.7 as of last June and only increased since then.

So you can parse out "labor participation rate" while baby boomers are retiring in droves...

Or we can simply look at the numbers!
 
Jarod said:
I don't know, he was able to sheppard the ACA through Congress, but I am talking about how the Republicans railed about the evils of compromise and deal making. How working with Obama was considered seriously evil. How badly Chris Christie was damaged for working with Obama on Hurricane Sandy recovery.
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he was able to sheppard the ACA through Congress ????

Thats funny.....late night Christmas Eve vote....with not even one Republican vote.....
 
Jarod said:
The 8 years of Bush's presidency yielded 1.1 million jobs created.

Obama's presidency has yielded 7.7 as of last June and only increased since then.

So you can parse out "labor participation rate" while baby boomers are retiring in droves...

Or we can simply look at the numbers!
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As Zappa has shown us the jobs number don't matter when it comes to job creation. The important stat is how many consecutive months of job growth.
 
cawacko said:
As Zappa has shown us the jobs number don't matter when it comes to job creation. The important stat is how many consecutive months of job growth.
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Seriously, is that your claim? So numbers don't matter? I see.
 
Jarod said:
The 8 years of Bush's presidency yielded 1.1 million jobs created.

Obama's presidency has yielded 7.7 as of last June and only increased since then.

So you can parse out "labor participation rate" while baby boomers are retiring in droves...

Or we can simply look at the numbers!
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Yes lets....

The fact is,....A President that can boast of an average unemployment rate of 5.3% over an 8 year period, in spite of a horrendous terrorist attack on the economic center of not only the country but having a world wide impact is a quite a record.....then Democrats took over both houses of Congress in 2007

5.3 % is commonly referred to as full employment and so there aren't many jobs to create nor unemployed to take them, is there ?

Its quite easy to rack up big numbers when when unemployment is rampant.....
 
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Jarod said:
So, Cons... Do you want a president who will make deals with Nancy Pelosi or do you want more log jam?
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Rather than fold to Nancy Pelosi on every issue, I'd prefer a log jam.....


You already elected a president that will not make deals with Republican congressional leaders and you've get what you deserve, a log jam....

Why should a Republican president make deals, you're certainly satisfied with Democrat president that won't .....
 
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