On the Bright side!

Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, socialism is authoritarian by nature, so anyone who think Sanders will rid us of the establishment is delusional. I'm not so sure about Trump. You may be right, but if you are then the establishment and Trump have something going, because the establishment hates Trump.

Do you think it's a charade? Not being snarky, I go back and forth with it. One day Trump appeals to me and the next day I don't trust him any farther than I can throw him.
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not long ago, trump was espousing democrat/liberal positions as the greatest thing since sliced bread. not very many people who seek public office have such a turnaround that's actually meaningful. it is my belief that he's saying the things that angry independents want to hear to get their vote, but if he gets in office it will be worse than it is now.
 
guess whos ideas are NOT attracting many voters?


the supply side libertarian lies


your base are not in on those ideas .


they want stuff from the government
 
Jarod said:
Not necessarily, but I do agree that there is a continuum between pure Capitalism to Communism, with Socialism somewhere in-between. So Sanders advocates ideas that are more Socialist than Rand Paul, I agree.. but is he the brand of socialist that results in authoritarianism?

Is Rand Paul an advocate of the type of unfettered Capitalism that results in authoritarianism?
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Obamacare, though it's not pure socialized medicine, it represents a step in socializing it. And look what it's done. Young people are required by the government [aka authoritarianism] to enter a market whether they want to or not. In fact, most of the time you see 'government requirement' it means less freedom and more government control over people's lives.

And if you like that sort of thing, Sanders is your man. In contrast, Trump is an unknown at this point. Some people pretend to know how Trump would be on many issues [authoritarian is just one of them] but I prefer to keep an open mind about it.

I won't vote for months from now.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Obamacare, though it's not pure socialized medicine, it represents a step in socializing it. And look what it's done. Young people are required by the government [aka authoritarianism] to enter a market whether they want to or not. In fact, most of the time you see 'government requirement' it means less freedom and more government control over people's lives.

And if you like that sort of thing, Sanders is your man. In contrast, Trump is an unknown at this point. Some people pretend to know how Trump would be on many issues [authoritarian is just one of them] but I prefer to keep an open mind about it.

I won't vote for months from now.
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building roads is socialist fool


you side demonized the word for political reasons .


the people are beginning to learn the REAL definitions of these words.



your memes wont work anymore
 
SmarterthanYou said:
not long ago, trump was espousing democrat/liberal positions as the greatest thing since sliced bread. not very many people who seek public office have such a turnaround that's actually meaningful. it is my belief that he's saying the things that angry independents want to hear to get their vote, but if he gets in office it will be worse than it is now.
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That's a pretty strong statement. At minimum, it will be the end of the racialist crap we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Maybe the cities will calm down a bit.

I also suspect Trump is a political pragmatist as opposed to an ideologue: which translates into someone who will work with the otherside in Congress. Granted, people will be pleased and pissed in equal measure, depending on what gets passed. But that's way better than what we have.

And the entertainment factor would be off the charts lol.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
That's a pretty strong statement. At minimum, it will be the end of the racialist crap we've had to put up with the last 8 years. Maybe the cities will calm down a bit.

I also suspect Trump is a political pragmatist as opposed to an ideologue: which translates into someone who will work with the otherside in Congress. Granted, people will be pleased and pissed in equal measure, depending on what gets passed. But that's way better than what we have.

And the entertainment factor would be off the charts lol.
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I fail to see how the continuance of the establishment that repeatedly disintegrates the remaining freedoms we have for further federal power is an off the chart entertainment factor.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Obamacare, though it's not pure socialized medicine, it represents a step in socializing it. And look what it's done. Young people are required by the government [aka authoritarianism] to enter a market whether they want to or not. In fact, most of the time you see 'government requirement' it means less freedom and more government control over people's lives.

And if you like that sort of thing, Sanders is your man. In contrast, Trump is an unknown at this point. Some people pretend to know how Trump would be on many issues [authoritarian is just one of them] but I prefer to keep an open mind about it.

I won't vote for months from now.
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That's not accurate at all. It could be a step in socializing our health care but other industrialized nations have taken these steps without socializing their health care system. The French, Japanese and South Koreans, for example. The PPACA is one partial step in health care reform. The three primary reforms the U.S. needs to make, that all developed nations have made are;

#1. Universal coverage.
#2. Health coverage is non-profit.
#3. Cost controls.

To say that the major controversial aspect of the PPACA, a universal mandate to purchase FOR PROFIT insurance, is socialism is retarded beyond belief! You may not like it and you may consider it an abuse or over reach of government power and you may be right BUT IT IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SOCIALISM! it is in fact the opposite. It is Big Brother telling you that you have to buy FROM THE MARKET from FOR PROFIT COMPANIES. The government may be coercing you to buy this service from a FOR PROFIT company but it does not control the means to production. It does not control the FOR PROFIT COMPANIES. So if you think this aspect of the PPACA is socialism...then you need to go read the definition of socialism because you don't know what it is.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I fail to see how the continuance of the establishment that repeatedly disintegrates the remaining freedoms we have for further federal power is an off the chart entertainment factor.
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I was thinking more along the lines of toying with the media and pressing all the liberal's PC buttons lol.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
this only becomes true when you negate the possibility of career politics. when someone spends their whole lives in office, they are no longer the people.
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Depends, while I am not a fan of term limits, I am a fan of taking action that limits the power of incumbency. If elected by the people, even an incumbent is of the people.

It might also be better to add to the number of Representatives in the house, so that each one represents a smaller group of people.

Coming up with a mathematical formula for drawing congressional districts would also result in better democracy.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Obamacare, though it's not pure socialized medicine, it represents a step in socializing it. And look what it's done. Young people are required by the government [aka authoritarianism] to enter a market whether they want to or not. In fact, most of the time you see 'government requirement' it means less freedom and more government control over people's lives.

And if you like that sort of thing, Sanders is your man. In contrast, Trump is an unknown at this point. Some people pretend to know how Trump would be on many issues [authoritarian is just one of them] but I prefer to keep an open mind about it.

I won't vote for months from now.
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If you look at the bigger picture, requiring people to get health insurance actually results in more freedom, more financial freedom. If a person makes the irresponsible decision to go without health insurance, the rest of us pay via higher cost health care.

Requiring everyone to make the responsible choice results in more freedom, same argument for Social Security, or is that socialism also?
 
Jarod said:
If you look at the bigger picture, requiring people to get health insurance actually results in more freedom, more financial freedom. If a person makes the irresponsible decision to go without health insurance, the rest of us pay via higher cost health care.

Requiring everyone to make the responsible choice results in more freedom, same argument for Social Security, or is that socialism also?
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it's opposite day for progressives again. LOL

the idea that FORCING people to do things makes them freer ROFL
 
Jarod said:
If you look at the bigger picture, requiring people to get health insurance actually results in more freedom, more financial freedom. If a person makes the irresponsible decision to go without health insurance, the rest of us pay via higher cost health care.

Requiring everyone to make the responsible choice results in more freedom, same argument for Social Security, or is that socialism also?
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Both social security and medicare are examples of socialism. The PPACA is not.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
it's opposite day for progressives again. LOL

the idea that FORCING people to do things makes them freer ROFL
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Its forcing either way. You force people to get healthcare OR you force people to pay for those who chose not to get healthcare.
 
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