IF your on the FBI's terrorist watch list, should you be free to own an AK?

Jarod said:
You are the one misusing the word absolute.

These rights are not absolute, the constitution allows them to be taken away and regulated.
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taken away? yes. 5th Amendment DUE PROCESS.

regulated? NOTHING in the bill of rights addresses the numerous references to congress having no power is ever defined as 'reasonable regulation'. NOTHING
 
Jarod said:
The preamble to the 2nd does that, its a declaratory statement of purpose which has intent and meaning, it effects the meaning of the second portion of the Amendment.
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yes, and CIVILIANS were that well regulated militia. well regulated as in training with their weapons and training as a unit NOT under some bullshit federal or state control.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
yes, and CIVILIANS were that well regulated militia. well regulated as in training with their weapons and training as a unit NOT under some bullshit federal or state control.
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Well regulated as in regulated, as in not absolute.

A right that can be take away is absolutly not absolute.
 
Superfreak said:
Nothing to prevent it. We can work towards minimizing the occurrences, but banning certain types of guns is not going to work.

1) We can stop glorifying the idiots who commit mass murder. Stop plastering their names and photos all over the media (unless they are at large). That is the very attention they seek. I don't believe they are terrorists as they are in it for self glorification and nothing more.

2) People in the media and the gun grabbers always focus on guns used in mass murders. Yet barely utter a breath regarding the nonstop gang violence that takes far more lives each year. Why is that?

3) But no matter what, you cannot revert to the guilty until proven innocent mindset.
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Don't you find it odd; that since liberals are supposed to be the purveyor of what's fair, that they don't consider all those incidents where guns were used to protect and / or save lives?
 
Jarod said:
Well regulated as in regulated, as in not absolute.

A right that can be take away is absolutly not absolute.
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Regulated used in that time meant well trained

During the Revolutionary War, militia would go door to door recruiting people and would ask "are you regulated"


Tell you what since gun control is such a big deal for you then how about a compromise

In exchange for your "common sense" restrictions will you accept "common sense" restrictions on abortion?
 
I Love America said:
Regulated used in that time meant well trained

During the Revolutionary War, militia would go door to door recruiting people and would ask "are you regulated"


Tell you what since gun control is such a big deal for you then how about a compromise

In exchange for your "common sense" restrictions will you accept "common sense" restrictions on abortion?
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People of that time were blissfully ignorant of government regulations.

And how about some common sense Muslim immigration/refugee/terrorist access regulations??!
 
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Jarod said:
I disagree with you about how you say it was meant in the founders time.
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Well, it didn't mean what it does now. There were no such thing as 'firearm regulations' during the founders time. 'Well regulated militias' were likely neccessary since so much of the country was frontier.

Regulated most likely meant well-ordered or what have you.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
Well, it didn't mean what it does now. There were no such thing as 'firearm regulations' during the founders time. 'Well regulated militias' were likely neccessary since so much of the country was frontier.

Regulated most likely meant well-ordered or what have you.
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There absolutely were firearms regulations, there were towns where one was required to deposit all firearms at the town armory upon entry to the city limits.
 
Jarod said:
I disagree with you about how you say it was meant in the founders time.
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You would be wrong. You are reading it through your own distorted lens and what you wish it said and meant.

What is odd is that you want em here but once they get here you wanna spy on em and keep em from getting guns.

Don't you find that odd?
 
I Love America said:
You would be wrong. You are reading it through your own distorted lens and what you wish it said and meant.

What is odd is that you want em here but once they get here you wanna spy on em and keep em from getting guns.

Don't you find that odd?
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Define "em", who is "em"?
 
Jarod said:
I don't think so.
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"On every question of construction (of the Constitution) let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." (Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823, The Complete Jefferson, p. 322)
 
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