More Indoctrination

Steelplate said:
We can quibble about this all day long. It doesn't matter. I believe that God knows more than you give him credit for. He knows what's going on in the soul of a person who is making that decision. He knows the remorse that person feels after she did it. She prays alone to God for forgiveness....she doesn't need your admonition and neither does God.
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I agree....the one's who require admonition are the one's promoting and validating the decision to kill an unborn child......I have no doubt a mother who aborts her child, after growing up being told its all right, its legal, its okay, will be forgiven by God......I'm wondering about the people who told her its all right, its legal, its okay?.........
 
Professor Baxter said:
Your premise is flawed and based on ignorance of what the establishment clause means. If it "respects the ESTABLISHED religion" then it is prohibited. Establishment is a noun. The clause does not simply prohibit the act of establishing a religion.
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the intent was to protect religion from government....ironically, it is being used to attack religion THROUGH the government....
 
19 pages of bullshit here shows why I pay little attention to biblical discussions and constitutional discussions.


NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THE WRITERS INTENDED
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I would think the moron would be the one who chose the least common interpretation and pretended it supported his own "dishonest intellectual gymnastics"......the issue is what does the Bible say about abortion, not what some purported alternative translation that the Bible did not use might say about it........another atheist thread fail.....
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It does not say anything about abortion. I provided a source that is often used to back up the position. Miscarriage is the common translation you are just too stupid to read your own sources footnotes, again. You did the same thing on the McVeigh.

Here, I will do the work since it's all you can do to lie.

NIV

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[SUP][e][/SUP] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,[SUP]24 [/SUP]eye for eye, tooth for tooth,hand for hand, foot for foot,[SUP]25 [/SUP]burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Footnotes:
a. Exodus 21:6 Or before God
b. Exodus 21:8 Or master so that he does not choose her
c. Exodus 21:15 Or kills
d. Exodus 21:18 Or with a tool
e. Exodus 21:22 Or she has a miscarriage
f. Exodus 21:32 That is, about 12 ounces or about 345 grams
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
I agree....the one's who require admonition are the one's promoting and validating the decision to kill an unborn child......I have no doubt a mother who aborts her child, after growing up being told its all right, its legal, its okay, will be forgiven by God......I'm wondering about the people who told her its all right, its legal, its okay?.........
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Good point. However, MOST people are not pro-abortion. Pro-choice does not equate to Pro-abortion. That's one thing that Pro-life folk don't seem to understand very well.

EDIT: I wonder if anyone commented on my post on the responsibility of the male yet? I didn't check, but before I went to bed last night, people were avoiding that like the plague.

EDIT2: Nope...as I suspected.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
the intent was to protect religion from government....ironically, it is being used to attack religion THROUGH the government....
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Neither of those points are accurate. You are just spreading more lies.

The intent was to build a wall of separation between church and state as Jefferson and Madison stated.

There is no attack on religion.
 
Professor Baxter said:
It does not say anything about abortion. I provided a source that is often used to back up the position. Miscarriage is the common translation you are just too stupid to read your own sources footnotes, again. You did the same thing on the McVeigh.

Here, I will do the work since it's all you can do to lie.

NIV

[SUP]22 [/SUP]“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely[SUP][e][/SUP] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows.[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life,[SUP]24 [/SUP]eye for eye, tooth for tooth,hand for hand, foot for foot,[SUP]25 [/SUP]burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.

Footnotes:
a. Exodus 21:6 Or before God
b. Exodus 21:8 Or master so that he does not choose her
c. Exodus 21:15 Or kills
d. Exodus 21:18 Or with a tool
e. Exodus 21:22 Or she has a miscarriage
f. Exodus 21:32 That is, about 12 ounces or about 345 grams
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you claimed the Bible said if the unborn child died it was "no harm, no foul"......the NAS translation you cited does not say that, the NIV translation does not say that, the KJV does not say that.....in fact, no translation out there says that.....instead, a footnote about a translation that no Bible DID use says "miscarriage".....

you are right that this argument is often used to try to prove that God loves it when we kill babies.....the argument was stupid then......the argument is stupid now......just like the argument that McVeigh was a Christian........you have multiple fails.....
 
PostmodernProphet said:
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seriously?....do you really think that?.....that's sad.......
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Yes. Does pro second Amendment mean being a member of a militia training to overthrow the government?

Sad? What is sad is your need to pigeonhole.


BTW....keep avoiding the role of the sperm donor(I refuse to call them "father".
 
Steelplate said:
No where does it say it didn't either.... the bottom line is that even biblically, an unborn life does not have the same value as a living breathing person.

Look up the word miscarry.... it does not mean "born prematurely".

Look....I think abortion is wrong. If I were a woman, it would not be an option for me....I would strongly discourage my daughter from making that choice. However, my daughter will be 20 years old on the 20th....so my words of discouragement only goes so far. There comes a time when adult decisions have adult consequences. I don't have to live with the inevitable feelings if guilt and a profound sense of "what if?". Those are the consequences of abortion.

If you believe that anyone who has made that decision doesn't deal with those feelings, you're nuts. Oh...they may act flippant on the outside, but they have them nonetheless.....and even if they don't happen to right now, they have the rest of their lives to think about it.

God will forgive them if they ask... I'm not worried about their souls....nor am I worried about the souls of the innocent. God will take care of them.

In short, it is a woman's decision to make. Personally.... I'd like our men to step the hell up to the plate. Make a deal with the mother and say "look....if you don't want the child, fine.... carry it and after it's born, you'll never have to see it again"....but they don't do that very often...do they? They go off on their own, bitch about child support and if they see the kid at all....it's every other weekend while Mom's dealing with them the other 12 days of the period.

Seems to me this whole "pro-life" argument us based on punishing women who have sex than it is about protecting innocent life.... because all I see when we talk about this subject is folks calling women sluts(either directly, or implied)... and nothing aimed at the "gentlemen" who impregnated them.

That's called misogyny people.
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Psalm 139: 13-16 disagrees with you, and by the way it doesn't matter if the Jews had a different value on the unborn, God's view is all that matters
 
patriot66 said:
Psalm 139: 13-16 disagrees with you, and by the way it doesn't matter if the Jews had a different value on the unborn, God's view is all that matters
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Two things....

1.You use Old Testament Scripture, then say "it doesn't matter". Make up your mind. If that's the case....then we can throw out the entire book of Leviticus too, right?

2. Still no comment on the Sperm Donor's responsibility....figures.... Guess that's the way it goes with you guys, fuck 'em, leave 'em, and let the woman deal with the aftermath...and when they make a choice that you don't like.....persecute them.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you claimed the Bible said if the unborn child died it was "no harm, no foul"......the NAS translation you cited does not say that, the NIV translation does not say that, the KJV does not say that.....in fact, no translation out there says that.....instead, a footnote about a translation that no Bible DID use says "miscarriage".....

you are right that this argument is often used to try to prove that God loves it when we kill babies.....the argument was stupid then......the argument is stupid now......just like the argument that McVeigh was a Christian........you have multiple fails.....
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The niv says "or miscarriage." Many other translations use miscarriage exclusively. So it is a matter of translation and you are a lying sack of shit.
 
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