Does The 2nd Amendment Need?

Chapel The Evergreen said:
For plenty of reasons. One, it's hyperbolic in the extreme. Two, from where would someone acquire a nuclear weapon? Three, we signed Arms Control treaties limiting such things. Those treaties require the same number of votes to pass as an amendment and also are held in the same standard as an amendment (see Article 6). Four, who would sell them to a civilian in the first place, even if they were still being made today (they're not)? Five, they have no military utility and are therefore not protected by the 2A.

Are those enough reasons why it's a ridiculous and stupid argument?
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I agree with you, but there are some like STY who argue that we should have the same weapons as the military.
 
Rana said:
I agree with you, but there are some like STY who argue that we should have the same weapons as the military.
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let's not put words in my mouth. I have ALWAYS said that any weapon that the government would/could use against us, we should have. there is a huge difference between what you say I said and what i've actually said.
 
Rana said:
I agree with you, but there are some like STY who argue that we should have the same weapons as the military.
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who i disagree with on this one

no citizen 'needs' WMDs unless they plotting terrorism or the overthrow of the government

unfortunately, wmds are just too easy to make these days - this has the unfortunate effect of causing more restrictions on citizen's freedoms by our government
 
Don Quixote said:
who i disagree with on this one

no citizen 'needs' WMDs unless they plotting terrorism or the overthrow of the government

unfortunately, wmds are just too easy to make these days - this has the unfortunate effect of causing more restrictions on citizen's freedoms by our government
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Really? And how might you make one?
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Really? And how might you make one?
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from a few simple household ingredients that i am not about to publish (i took chemistry in college and remember enough to make a variety of wmds) or from your local friendly home depot or other hardware store...

some short term, some long term, some that go boom and some that make toxic gases among other things

why do you need to know? are you from dhs?
 
Don Quixote said:
from a few simple household ingredients that i am not about to publish (i took chemistry in college and remember enough to make a variety of wmds) or from your local friendly home depot or other hardware store...

some short term, some long term, some that go boom and some that make toxic gases among other things

why do you need to know? are you from dhs?
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Publishing information isn't a crime, especially on the internet. My point was that creation of such WMDs is not easy nor practical
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Publishing information isn't a crime, especially on the internet. My point was that creation of such WMDs is not easy nor practical
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publishing it may not be a crime, creating wmds is easier than you might think. there is already plenty published on the net, it just requires motivation and a lot of care and patience...oh and enough money for remote controls

we live in interesting times, but then we have always been at the mercy of our fellow denizens of this world
 
Don Quixote said:
publishing it may not be a crime, creating wmds is easier than you might think. there is already plenty published on the net, it just requires motivation and a lot of care and patience...oh and enough money for remote controls

we live in interesting times, but then we have always been at the mercy of our fellow denizens of this world
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You've yet to say how....so I'm going to imagine that it isn't actually easy.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
You've yet to say how....so I'm going to imagine that it isn't actually easy.
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ok, you want an easy one, this one is so easy that it kills people (usually housewives) by accident each year, mix bleach and ammonia - some fool thinks that it will make a great cleaning agent so try it and see what you get, besides dead that is
 
Don Quixote said:
ok, you want an easy one, this one is so easy that it kills people (usually housewives) by accident each year, mix bleach and ammonia - some fool thinks that it will make a great cleaning agent so try it and see what you get, besides dead that is
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Yeah, that's chlorine gas. Hardly a 'WMD'. Funny enough my dad made the same mistake when I was a child and almost had to go to the hospital. To this day he maintains that it's a legit cleaning method.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Yeah, that's chlorine gas. Hardly a 'WMD'. Funny enough my dad made the same mistake when I was a child and almost had to go to the hospital. To this day he maintains that it's a legit cleaning method.
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mixing sodium hypochlorous acid (household bleach) with ammonia hydroxide (household ammonia) produced ammonia chloride a lethal gas (a binary gas that may be produced in quantity and released via remote control...say into an enclosed air conditioning system) however, architects know this and design office buildings such that air conditioning systems are difficult to reach...not to mention that there are other deadlier gasses that may be introduced into such systems and such systems are dangerous in and of themselves

if you want pure chlorine gas, that is another reaction

try the following links

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypochlorous_acid

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ammonia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_salt (known to the egyptians)
 
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Thithicus said:
Yes, the Waco siege was handled poorly in some respects, a fact that many government officials have acknowledged. That was twenty years ago. Has the government used tanks against American citizens since the Waco siege?
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Thats irrelevant....and a stupid question on its face.
 
Don Quixote said:
unions have the least amount of power that they have had for decades

how about the koch brothers or walmart or other big repug donors

follow the money and look at who contributes the most
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George Soros, and corporations give to both parties, to not would be suicide.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
Publishing information isn't a crime, especially on the internet. My point was that creation of such WMDs is not easy nor practical
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Windex with ammonia mixed with Clorox makes chlorine gas. Its simply a matter of volume and placement to kill a large number of people.

That is what is so laughable. Our safety is an illusion. A free society is not a safe place to live. But it is worth the risk.
 
patriot66 said:
George Soros, and corporations give to both parties, to not would be suicide.
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always hedge your bets, however, this last time they bet more heavily on the repugs, but the dims did better so in a way they still lost because the dims will remember who contributed the least and bet most heavily against them

but politics and politicians are strange

oh well
 
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