SmarterthanYou
rebel
not sure how much more clearer I can be with this, but ANY weapon that the government would use against 'we the people' should also be available to 'we the people'.
Does The 2nd Amendment Need?
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Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
From whence would such items be acquired?
God I hate these stupid kinds of suppositions.
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The Almighty
This is truly one of the dumbest arguments regarding gun control.
Why?
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
For plenty of reasons. One, it's hyperbolic in the extreme. Two, from where would someone acquire a nuclear weapon? Three, we signed Arms Control treaties limiting such things. Those treaties require the same number of votes to pass as an amendment and also are held in the same standard as an amendment (see Article 6). Four, who would sell them to a civilian in the first place, even if they were still being made today (they're not)? Five, they have no military utility and are therefore not protected by the 2A.
Are those enough reasons why it's a ridiculous and stupid argument?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
as has been consistently argued, any weapon that the US government could/would use against 'we the people' should be available to 'we the people'.
consider the current rebellion in syria, if enough people in our nation choose to rebel, i am sure that there are people from other nations that would assist them
but, if enough people choose to rebel, there are other means than 2nd amendment remedies to change things...
SmarterthanYou
rebel
not understanding where you're going with this.
the 2nd Amendment is the last resort, of course. It's not intended to make change, it's intended to restore the government.
what will the voters do if one group of people succeeded in buying a national election...like the repugs are trying to do just that and failed during the last election even though they succeeded enough to come close to paralyzing the government
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Que?
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
Again, what?
it would require enough voters to organize to outdo the repugs or any other group seeking to take over our government
and it is past time for such organizing to occur
remember that we have the best politicians that money can buy
given the 'citizens united' decision by scotus, it would appear that the u s government is for sale if not already bought
SmarterthanYou
rebel
i'm still not seeing what this has to do with wanted 'public safety' exceptions to the 2nd Amendment nor what weapons should be allowed by the 2nd Amendment. I don't think anyone is doubting that the US Government is for sale and has been for a long time.
Billy the Great Khan
Uwaa OmO
My V8 gets 31 mpg on the highway, which is pretty awesome.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
I am not concerned about our government using tanks and mortars against us, because 'we the people' ARE the government.
SmarterthanYou
rebel
waco. tanks were used. the moment that happened, 'we the people' stopped being the government.
Rationalist
Hail Voltaire
Yes, the Waco siege was handled poorly in some respects, a fact that many government officials have acknowledged. That was twenty years ago. Has the government used tanks against American citizens since the Waco siege?
SmarterthanYou
rebel
1) nobody in the federal government was ever held accountable for waco 2) it doesn't mean it won't happen again. you've noticed the increasing militarization of police, have you not?
how can there be 'public safety' when our government is no longer run by 'we the people'?
the point of this 'debate' is moot