Fucking Pig Feds, This story has me absolutely disgusted.

[apple0154]

What you say sounds all warm and fuzzy in theory. But, according to IRS data not everyone is paying. Does that make them freeloaders?

Not at all. People who are able to contribute are expected to do so.

I really wish you libs would define what you think ones "fair share" is.

I don't have an exact number but I do know "America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour" is not fair.

It appears to be a moving target.

It certainly is. We can thank the Repubs for that. Furthermore, start by having the fair share apply to all money received. Income, money coming in, regardless of the source.

 

[apple0154]

i knew numbers were beyond you.

I knew comprehension was beyond you.

Tell you what, let us know when you have drones, OK? And imaging equipment that can detect people hiding in a building like most of the cowardly troublemakers would be. And planes with heat sensing equipment. And satellites that can track people. Then we can have an intelligent conversation. Meanwhile, play cowboys and indians in the woods on the week-end. Just be careful not to poke someone's eye out!

 

[Wise Old Man]

Fair? As I asked before what rate of pay is fair? This silliness of "works hard" gets old after a while. How hard is hard? How many hours in a Gates' day? Just how hard does someone work to "earn" 50 million a year? Check out the following.

(Excerpt) Rinehart may have inherited some handsome seed money, but she now earns her own $75 million every day and a half. And she's done it by riding the soaring demand for Australia's resources, reports ABC News. (End) http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/05...n-the-world-how-gina-rinehart-earns-her-bill/ (Yes, this is Australia. Greed is not limited to the US.) 75 million every day and a half. 365 days divided by 2 = 182.5. 182.5 X 75 = 13687.5 million. That's $13,687,500,000 per year. Wow! Talk about working hard!

Billionaire Warren Buffett Earned $62,855,038 in 2010.....http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/10/12/billionaire-warren-buffett-earned-62-855-038-in-2010/

Bill gates is estimated to get $150,000 per hour.....http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_money_does_Bill_Gates_earn_per_hour
Does that dude sleep? There's hard work and then there's HARD work. Probably on amphetamines in order to work that hard.

Larry Ellison: For the fiscal year 2012 which just ended for Oracle, CEO Larry Ellison was paid $96 million. That represents a 24% increase over his 2011 income of $77.6 million
......http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/money-larry-ellison/ That would be equivelent to $46,000 an hour for an eight hour day. Maybe he works 16 hours a day. $23,000/hr seems more reasonable, don't you think?

(Excerpt) America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour. (End) http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/08/20/300236/koch-vs-buffett/?mobile=nc

What were you saying about "fairness" again?

Tell us how much Bill Gates' salary should be a year.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

And the "why" has been determined.

No it wasn't.

 

[apple0154]

Tell us how much Bill Gates' salary should be a year.

Tell us what's fair about this. America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour.

It's not so much about salary as it is about paying taxes. Paying taxes on ALL money received. People keep saying things like if a person makes a lot of money on capital gains or investments they "earned" that money. They "worked" for it. Fine. Let them pay taxes on that money that they "earned" and "worked" for just like the hourly worker who earned and worked for their money.

Or do you have some twisted idea that being fair is not being fair?

 

[Wise Old Man]

Tell us what's fair about this. America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour.

It's not so much about salary as it is about paying taxes. Paying taxes on ALL money received. People keep saying things like if a person makes a lot of money on capital gains or investments they "earned" that money. They "worked" for it. Fine. Let them pay taxes on that money that they "earned" and "worked" for just like the hourly worker who earned and worked for their money.

Or do you have some twisted idea that being fair is not being fair?

It has nothing to do with being "fair". You didn't answer my question. Any fool can post propanda. This is supposed to be a political debate forum. Try again.

Tell us what Bill Gates salary should be to make it fair. Then tell us how much the Yankess should pay their best player to make fair.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I knew comprehension was beyond you.

Tell you what, let us know when you have drones, OK? And imaging equipment that can detect people hiding in a building like most of the cowardly troublemakers would be. And planes with heat sensing equipment. And satellites that can track people. Then we can have an intelligent conversation. Meanwhile, play cowboys and indians in the woods on the week-end. Just be careful not to poke someone's eye out!

here's what you can't seem to grasp, though your cowardice is understandable. people like you prefer slavery on your knees than freedom in the face of danger.

let's use a hypothetical scenario like ruby ridge....the federal government amasses 110 federal agents with military hardware, snipers, and pseudo SEAL teams to arrest a person who sold two sawed off shotguns somewhere south of pheonix AZ......

For a victimless crime, a para military action results in the death of a mother holding her infant child because a trigger happy sniper shot without caring what he was killing...

now a FBI building in St Louis is blown up, killing 12 federal agents......and one in Orlando FL killing 6 fed agents......

keep the scenario going.......the federal response is going to be to deputize every federal agency with arrest powers and those agencies will conduct further violent raids against people, so more federal agency buildings are going to be blown up killing some of those agents as well. it's going to end up in a war of attrition and the government will have no choice but to back off or lose. See, you moronically think that we're amassing large forces to square off against a superior armed force, which is the furthest thing from the truth. You will see the nastiest guerrilla warfare campaign since the afghani's whipped the russians. What SHOULD scare you most, but your closed mind is incapable of conceiving of it, is that people like YOU, who conspire against the people, preferring slavery in service to the government instead of freedom with the people, will also be targeted. yes, you and yours will find yourself exposed and killed because you will become an enemy of the people. there is literally no way you can win and don't bother bringing in nukes and fighter planes/bombers....the feds know full well that employing those heavy handed tactics against us domestic terrorists, among an urban populace, will only result in more people arming themselves to fight the feds. you lose, we will win.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Tell us what's fair about this. America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour.

It's not so much about salary as it is about paying taxes. Paying taxes on ALL money received. People keep saying things like if a person makes a lot of money on capital gains or investments they "earned" that money. They "worked" for it. Fine. Let them pay taxes on that money that they "earned" and "worked" for just like the hourly worker who earned and worked for their money.

Or do you have some twisted idea that being fair is not being fair?

this is how you fail. how do those tax loopholes get created? the rich hedge fund manager. so how are you going to fix the corruption in congress?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Apple, I noticed that you completely avoided this post. care to comment on it?

let me introduce you to a concept created by the supreme court.....the government, or it's agencies, have no legal obligation or duty to provide protection or services to any particular individual.

Warren v. District of Columbia - "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."

DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services - Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Tell us what's fair about this. America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour.

Are you purposefully lying or woefully uninformed? Which is it?

As the chart below clearly shows there is no way what you are saying is true.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/chart-day-effective-tax-rates-income-category

This comes from Obama IRS data so blame him if you don't like the numbers.

But according to this chart, those making $50,000 a year pay between 3-8% effective tax rate. Effective tax rates are what really matters.

As you can see those who make less than $30,000 a year are actually receiving welfare through the tax code.

You have zero credibility on this topic as you are either a compulsive liar, an uninformed ignoramus or worse; both.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

BTW who is this imaginary hedge fund manager making $2.5 million an hour?

 

[apple0154]

It has nothing to do with being "fair". You didn't answer my question. Any fool can post propanda. This is supposed to be a political debate forum. Try again.

Tell us what Bill Gates salary should be to make it fair. Then tell us how much the Yankess should pay their best player to make fair.

There's no propanda here. You must be confused, again. And it is about being fair. People should pay tax on money they receive regardless of how they "earned" it, a favorite word for some folks.

 

[apple0154]

here's what you can't seem to grasp, though your cowardice is understandable. people like you prefer slavery on your knees than freedom in the face of danger.

let's use a hypothetical scenario like ruby ridge....the federal government amasses 110 federal agents with military hardware, snipers, and pseudo SEAL teams to arrest a person who sold two sawed off shotguns somewhere south of pheonix AZ......

For a victimless crime, a para military action results in the death of a mother holding her infant child because a trigger happy sniper shot without caring what he was killing...

now a FBI building in St Louis is blown up, killing 12 federal agents......and one in Orlando FL killing 6 fed agents......

keep the scenario going.......the federal response is going to be to deputize every federal agency with arrest powers and those agencies will conduct further violent raids against people, so more federal agency buildings are going to be blown up killing some of those agents as well. it's going to end up in a war of attrition and the government will have no choice but to back off or lose. See, you moronically think that we're amassing large forces to square off against a superior armed force, which is the furthest thing from the truth. You will see the nastiest guerrilla warfare campaign since the afghani's whipped the russians. What SHOULD scare you most, but your closed mind is incapable of conceiving of it, is that people like YOU, who conspire against the people, preferring slavery in service to the government instead of freedom with the people, will also be targeted. yes, you and yours will find yourself exposed and killed because you will become an enemy of the people. there is literally no way you can win and don't bother bringing in nukes and fighter planes/bombers....the feds know full well that employing those heavy handed tactics against us domestic terrorists, among an urban populace, will only result in more people arming themselves to fight the feds. you lose, we will win.

That's quite an imagination. Let's start with "slavery on your knees than freedom in the face of danger." The selling of the sawed off shotguns were against the law. Period! The law is there for everyone. Just because some people belong to some wacked out cult doesn't give them permission to break the law.

If you think the populace will side with law breakers you're nuts. The governmrnt will do whatever it takes. Otherwise, anarchy will reign. It's as simple as that.

If the majority of people believed selling sawed off shotguns was OK then they would demand their government allow it. Again, not a complicated concept.

If "slavery in service to the government instead of freedom with the people" is your definition of paying taxes then I side with the government. If watching your neighbor die from a lack of medical care is your idea of freedom then I side with the government. If freedom consists of doing nothing when children go to school without a decent breakfast them put me in the "slavery in service to the government" category.

Start your barbaric gorilla warfare, your freedom fighting, your playing with your Tommy Tonka toys. Hide with the rats in buildings. You'll make good companions and when you realize the general population has evolved and you're considered vermin it will be too late to stop the exterminators.

Good luck.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

That's quite an imagination. Let's start with "slavery on your knees than freedom in the face of danger." The selling of the sawed off shotguns were against the law. Period! The law is there for everyone. Just because some people belong to some wacked out cult doesn't give them permission to break the law.

If you think the populace will side with law breakers you're nuts. The governmrnt will do whatever it takes. Otherwise, anarchy will reign. It's as simple as that.

If the majority of people believed selling sawed off shotguns was OK then they would demand their government allow it. Again, not a complicated concept.

If "slavery in service to the government instead of freedom with the people" is your definition of paying taxes then I side with the government. If watching your neighbor die from a lack of medical care is your idea of freedom then I side with the government. If freedom consists of doing nothing when children go to school without a decent breakfast them put me in the "slavery in service to the government" category.

Start your barbaric gorilla warfare, your freedom fighting, your playing with your Tommy Tonka toys. Hide with the rats in buildings. You'll make good companions and when you realize the general population has evolved and you're considered vermin it will be too late to stop the exterminators.

Good luck.

LOL why am I not surprised that you focused on everything but what I explained to you????

 

[Wise Old Man]

There's no propanda here. You must be confused, again. And it is about being fair. People should pay tax on money they receive regardless of how they "earned" it, a favorite word for some folks.

I never said people shouldn't pay tax. You keep telling us how unfair things are, but you can't tell us what exactly is "fair".

How much should Bill Gates pay in taxes to be "fair".

 

[apple0154]

this is how you fail. how do those tax loopholes get created? the rich hedge fund manager. so how are you going to fix the corruption in congress?

Vote against the people who support such policies instead of voting for people who support them. People voted for the Tea Party/Repubs and they don't want the loopholes closed because they consider doing so to be a tax increase. The people who put those candidates in Congress complain about the policies Congress supports. That's why we've said over and over that voting for the Repubs is voting against your own interests but did anyone listen? Noooooooo. They all said Obama was a Socialist. We must let capitalism flourish.

Well, you're currently witnessing the flourishing of capitalism. As I noted in msg #325, "America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour."

Although the people are starting to wake up do you think enough will wake up to throw the rest of the Repubs out next election?

 

[apple0154]

Apple, I noticed that you completely avoided this post. care to comment on it?

I'm trying to keep up.

While the government has "no general duty to provide public services" it can and will if the people so choose.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Vote against the people who support such policies instead of voting for people who support them. People voted for the Tea Party/Repubs and they don't want the loopholes closed because they consider doing so to be a tax increase. The people who put those candidates in Congress complain about the policies Congress supports. That's why we've said over and over that voting for the Repubs is voting against your own interests but did anyone listen? Noooooooo. They all said Obama was a Socialist. We must let capitalism flourish.

Well, you're currently witnessing the flourishing of capitalism. As I noted in msg #325, "America’s current tax system forces people making $50,000 a year to pay a higher rate than hedge fund managers making $2.4 million an hour."

Although the people are starting to wake up do you think enough will wake up to throw the rest of the Repubs out next election?

how many democrats voted against all these tax loopholes?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I'm trying to keep up.

While the government has "no general duty to provide public services" it can and will if the people so choose.

so in the specific examples I showed, how does that work? is it just for the feds to amass a huge amount of tax dollars from the public without being accountable for failure to provide for those services? you do realize that you're only bankrolling the same corrupt business practices that you accuse the big corporations of, and the only difference is that you're allowing an unaccountable entity to do it?

 

[apple0154]

Are you purposefully lying or woefully uninformed? Which is it?

As the chart below clearly shows there is no way what you are saying is true.

http://taxfoundation.org/blog/chart-day-effective-tax-rates-income-category

This comes from Obama IRS data so blame him if you don't like the numbers.

But according to this chart, those making $50,000 a year pay between 3-8% effective tax rate. Effective tax rates are what really matters.

As you can see those who make less than $30,000 a year are actually receiving welfare through the tax code.

You have zero credibility on this topic as you are either a compulsive liar, an uninformed ignoramus or worse; both.

:lol: Nice try. Yes, I did notice the chart is titled, "Chart of the Day: Effective Tax Rates by Income Category". Can you spot the operative word there? I'll give you a hint. It starts with a vowel.

tick-tock

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BUZZZZZ

Time is up. The word is "Income" as in "worked for", "earned".....you know, those words Conservatives love so much.

OK. Let's cut to the chase. I'm not going to give you a course on the US tax system considering I don't even know enough about my own income tax. (The Mrs. is a Chartered Accountant and looks after that for me.) However, not all money received is considered income, again, as in "worked for" or "earned", in the general sense. I'll give you one example. Municipal Bonds. Interest on Municipl Bonds is tax-free at the federal level and at the state level if one invests in the state in which they live. So, one can invest, say, $10 million or $50 million in bonds and collect the interest to live on and not owe any taxes. Zero. Nada.

Now, who do think has $10 million or $50 million to invest in Municipal Bonds? Your local mechanic? The gal at the donut shop? The reality is the gal at the donut shop will pay more income tax than the guy who is living off the interest from Municipal Bonds. So, while you may think I'm woefully uninformed or a liar I'm willing to bet your keyboard is routed via your ass. Am I correct?