Fucking Pig Feds, This story has me absolutely disgusted.

Beware of people who believe they're powerless to fix anything and that the best solution is to blow everything up.
 
apple0154 said:
So saving the lives of 45,000 a year does not benefit the general welfare of the country? Do I have to post that Jack Benny skit again? Happiness is keeping your money but not your life?
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by the constitution, the federal government has no power to do such. that matter is left to the states. keep your jack benny skit. if you want an england style country, move there.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
I know you're trying to obfuscate the whole issue in order to pursue your socialist agenda, but do you truly need a lesson on how the constitution works?
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"Obfuscate the whole issue?" Anyone who believes the Founding Fathers', if they were aware of 45,000 people dying every year from whatever, would have simply ignored the problem and turned their backs have a twisted perception of those men.
 
Wise Old Man said:
I never said that. You did. If you need to erect straw men to make a point, then you're out of ideas. Sit down and shut the fuck up until you get an education.
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Who is more likely to have investments and capital gains, the wealthy or the poor? My comment wasn't a straw man. I was trying to relate to your limited intelligence. I'm not sure I can dumb it down further.
 
apple0154 said:
"Obfuscate the whole issue?" Anyone who believes the Founding Fathers', if they were aware of 45,000 people dying every year from whatever, would have simply ignored the problem and turned their backs have a twisted perception of those men.
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and anyone who believes that those founders would have allowed the new central government to impose that kind of power upon the people, after having just experienced a tyrannical central government, has an even more twisted perception of those men.
 
Wise Old Man said:
Nope. There is nothing unconstitutional about SS and Medicare, but they are not following the spirit of the constitution, that's for sure. You need to take a course in this before you engage.
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Just like there's nothing unconstitutional about ObamaCare. So suck it up. The Supreme Court ruled. The people spoke.

Get with the program unless you're just too damn old.
 
apple0154 said:
Who is more likely to have investments and capital gains, the wealthy or the poor? My comment wasn't a straw man. I was trying to relate to your limited intelligence. I'm not sure I can dumb it down further.
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What 45,000 people are you talking about and where did you get that number? Dreams don't count.
 
Wise Old Man said:
Who are these phantom 45,000 lives saved a year you're speaking about?
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(Excerpt)“The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance,” remarked David Himmelstein, study co-author, associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance. “Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.” (End) http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

The unnecessary death of a citizen every 12 minutes and there are still some *nutters who claim the Federal Government does not have the obligation nor authority to do something about it.

*Nutters. I have to give acknowledgement to one of the lady posters for coming up with that tag. A most apt description in this case.
 
apple0154 said:
(Excerpt)“The Institute of Medicine, using older studies, estimated that one American dies every 30 minutes from lack of health insurance,” remarked David Himmelstein, study co-author, associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School, and a primary care physician at Cambridge Health Alliance. “Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.” (End) http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/sto...s-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

The unnecessary death of a citizen every 12 minutes and there are still some *nutters who claim the Federal Government does not have the obligation nor authority to do something about it.

*Nutters. I have to give acknowledgement to one of the lady posters for coming up with that tag. A most apt description in this case.
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let me introduce you to a concept created by the supreme court.....the government, or it's agencies, have no legal obligation or duty to provide protection or services to any particular individual.

Warren v. District of Columbia - "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."

DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services - Constitutional duties of care and protection only exist as to certain individuals, such as incarcerated prisoners, involuntarily committed mental patients and others restrained against their will and therefore unable to protect themselves. "The affirmative duty to protect arises not from the State's knowledge of the individual's predicament or from its expressions of intent to help him, but from the limitation which it has imposed on his freedom to act on his own behalf.
 
Wise Old Man said:
Beware of people who say they want to 'fix' something. What are you going to fix in our govt?
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I'm informing people about government medical care. Countering the Republican lies and bullsh!t so they know the true value of ObamaCare and the following adjustments that are sure to follow. The monied interests didn't blow all that loot on the election for nothing. Well, actually they did but that wasn't their plan. Not too many easier ways to make money than taking advantage of the sick and dying. Grab their home and savings before they go by putting a hefty price tag on hope. And why not? They won't be needing any money when they're dead. Capitalism at it's finest. The true meaning of liberty, Republican style.
 
apple0154 said:
The problem is being fixed thanks to Obama. Finally a President who had the balls to tell the Repubs to "kiss it" and moved ahead with his plan.
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interesting. signing legislation that lets business' drop coverage for their employees because the fines are cheaper, taxes everyone to provide coverage for those that don't want or need it, and increases the costs of healthcare in general is fixing the problem?
 
Wise Old Man said:
Apathy and ignorance are ruining this great nation.
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Apathy? Not really. The people are awakening. They voted twice for a man who knows what needs to be done and is doing it. ObamaCare, the greatest achievement since....Medicare/Medicaid? Social Security?

Ignorance? Quite possibe due to the outright lies spread by the Republicans. Death panels. No doctors. Bankrupt the nation. Hell, who wouldn't vote against a health care plan? Of course, people who know the truth, the reality of government health care, can't decide whether to laugh or cry. The Repub "facts" look like something from a Monty Python skit.
 
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