Boehner: Obamacare on table for 'fiscal cliff' talks

Stargazer said:
That canard has been debunked many times over.

"The findings in this research are based on faulty methodology and the death risk is significantly overstated," National Center for Policy Analysis president John C. Goodman has explained. "The subjects were interviewed only once and the study tries to link their insurance status at that time to mortality a decade later. Yet over the period, the authors have no idea whether subjects were insured or uninsured, what kind of medical care they received, or even cause of death."

Researchers of the Harvard based their conclusion upon national surveys participants filled from 1986-1994. After checking how many of the adults died by the year 2000, researchers proceeded to make the unbelievable leap in assumption and faith that the uninsured stayed uninsured for all those years - and died as a result.

"Like unemployment, uninsurance happens to many people for short periods of time. Most people who are uninsured regain insurance with one year," Goodman wrote. "The authors of the study did not track what happened to the insurance status of the subjects over the decade examined, what medical care they received or even the causes of their deaths."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/anthon...insurance-deaths-go-unchallenge#ixzz2D3ahPP2o
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Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/anthon...insurance-deaths-go-unchallenge#ixzz2DACYnk2l

From that same link. (Excerpt) "...people enrolled in Medicaid have a much higher mortality rate than the uninsured. As Goodman put it, "In other words, Medicaid enrollment reduces life expectancy rather than increasing it!"(End)

Darn those Repubs are smart people. I remember talking to my doctor, years ago. After he told me the number of people who die in hospital I told him that if I ever get sick please don't send me to a hospital!
 
Stargazer said:
America has a superior system with response time and cancer survival rates that cannot be beat.

If Canadian care was so great, your Prime Ministers wouldn't be coming to America for treatment. They come here for one reason -- it is the best.

I met someone from Montreal who said they cannot even find a primary care physician and wait months for simple tests. Anecdotal this may be, but I have ran across this frequently and it solidifies my opinion.
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If we're going to go anecdotal.....I had a car accident. Fractured spine, 6 ribs, arm, shoulder, sinuses, jaw and other assorted bones. I had electric wires hooked up to my heart to keep it going and a machine hooked to my tracheotomy tube to keep me breathing. After 6 weeks in hospital having a spinal fusion and 6 weeks in rehab for a total of 3 months I walked out of there and never even saw a bill. I have no idea what it cost as I paid nothing. Zero.

That's medical care in Montreal.
 
Something that is to be desired by all of us here in the US. I'm glad you were able to walk out of the hospital...sounds horrific.
 
Haiku said:
Something that is to be desired by all of us here in the US. I'm glad you were able to walk out of the hospital...sounds horrific.
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I had plenty of pain meds, however, one of the more painful events was sneezing. As ones lungs quickly expand the ribs move. It's funny thinking about it now but it wasn't then. :lol:
 
Stargazer said:
That canard has been debunked many times over.

"The findings in this research are based on faulty methodology and the death risk is significantly overstated," National Center for Policy Analysis president John C. Goodman has explained. "The subjects were interviewed only once and the study tries to link their insurance status at that time to mortality a decade later. Yet over the period, the authors have no idea whether subjects were insured or uninsured, what kind of medical care they received, or even cause of death."

Researchers of the Harvard based their conclusion upon national surveys participants filled from 1986-1994. After checking how many of the adults died by the year 2000, researchers proceeded to make the unbelievable leap in assumption and faith that the uninsured stayed uninsured for all those years - and died as a result.

"Like unemployment, uninsurance happens to many people for short periods of time. Most people who are uninsured regain insurance with one year," Goodman wrote. "The authors of the study did not track what happened to the insurance status of the subjects over the decade examined, what medical care they received or even the causes of their deaths."

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/anthon...insurance-deaths-go-unchallenge#ixzz2D3ahPP2o
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Bullshit.
 
apple0154 said:
If we're going to go anecdotal.....I had a car accident. Fractured spine, 6 ribs, arm, shoulder, sinuses, jaw and other assorted bones. I had electric wires hooked up to my heart to keep it going and a machine hooked to my tracheotomy tube to keep me breathing. After 6 weeks in hospital having a spinal fusion and 6 weeks in rehab for a total of 3 months I walked out of there and never even saw a bill. I have no idea what it cost as I paid nothing. Zero.

That's medical care in Montreal.
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In the United States that would have been covered by automobile insurance. Doesn't automobile insurance cover that in Canada or does it only cover the car?
 
I Love America said:
In the United States that would have been covered by automobile insurance. Doesn't automobile insurance cover that in Canada or does it only cover the car?
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Automobile insurance in Quebec, as regards personal injury, is government run. Private insurance covers the car. And it's a LOT cheaper. Everyone who has a driver's licence is covered for personal injury liability, regardless of who's car they're driving. Also, let's say a pedestrian is hit by a car. Between government medical and government auto insurance the person is looked after regardless of circumstances or who was at fault. Compensation is set at a specific rate. A broken leg is worth X amount of dollars. No suing insurance companies or trying to determine fault. It cuts out the private insurance companies, the lawyers and the fraudsters who think they'll get wealthy through an insurance claim. Unless one is an olympic runner a broken leg is a broken leg, be it a high earning lawyer or a vagrant.

If the broken leg interfers with one's job then they are compensated accordingly. A person who has to stand all day at work would receive income replacement. If their job can be done while using crutches or a wheel chair then they are expected to go to work.

Everyone benefits and rates are lower. That is the government working for the people.
 
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