Everything based on lies is certainly coercion. You can't get around that, dicklicker. When you have liars whether in business or in politics and regulation you have deliberate and unfair coercion. I find that most common amongst the rightwingers. It's the only way they can survive in a relatively uneducated society and that is exactly why the US is ranking so low in educational scores. It is most definitely the design of the rightwingers. Everything points directly to them as the genuine culprits.
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Everything based on lies is certainly coercion. You can't get around that, dicklicker. When you have liars whether in business or in politics and regulation you have deliberate and unfair coercion. I find that most common amongst the rightwingers. It's the only way they can survive in a relatively uneducated society and that is exactly why the US is ranking so low in educational scores. It is most definitely the design of the rightwingers. Everything points directly to them as the genuine culprits.
So when I made a comment about private health insurance, you somehow read "contractors that take government contracts to build things" into it?
You do realize this is a debate forum, right lil' mac?
It really doesn't seem as if you have either the skill or the desire to debate.
Why are you here?
j-mac
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No, the problem you have with education is that you have representation of Teachers in this country more concerned with bloating themselves, and greedily fleecing the taxpayer for their own enrichment, rather than educating the kids.
j-mac
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What planet are you on? The conversation was about Ryan's fathers SS death benefits paying for young Paul's collage, and that his family made their living at least in part by taking highway contracting money from government. Now you come from left field with some nonsense about 'private health insurance'? And what is worse, is that you have the gall to come in here and accuse anyone of 'unserious' debate while you throw a pejorative at them...Go away, you are out of your league lightweight.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
I am not talking about doing away with representative government. No idea where you got that from.
AND, given the disaster that both political parties are responsible for, intelligence dictates finding another course.
With all due respect, you don't know what works for this society .. and you don't speak for the majority of its people.
Good lord you are more dimwitted than it seemed possible.
Here is the comment you called stupid, then were incapable of saying why it was stupid, along with the comment I was responding to. If you read it, you will see it has NOTHING whatsoever to do with construction projects.
Really, start fucking paying attention!
Not only will it stand but a one payer system is just around the corner, relatively speaking. As more and more people experience the benefits of ObamaCare there will be no turning back. Future discussion will involve how government medical can be improved. The days of "for profit", "pay or suffer" medical is swiftly coming to an end. Those who have been stealing of the dying will have to find a new way to make a living.
We are the last developed country with the barbaric private health insurance system. Selfish, ignorant cave dwellers would like to keep it that way.
Here is your reply, including where you quoted my comment;
j-mac
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We are the last developed country with the barbaric private health insurance system. Selfish, ignorant cave dwellers would like to keep it that way.
Good grief! man are you stupid.
Concentrated power has always been the enemy of liberty. - Ronald Reagan
So, again, what did you find stupid about my response?
Can you defend your ignorant statement or not?
If not, go the fuck away, you bore the shit out of me.
I believe the psychiatric term for that is transference.
That's all the right is capable of.
I may be confused (never happen) but didn't people go to jail for this? Are you saying they were innocent?
Simple. He's been banned from everywhere else. I'd love for lil Mac, Yurt, Dicksee, or RacistX to join my forum. I've never had the pleasure of banning anyone. I want to feel that tingle...
Aha...another one who hates teachers and blames the inefficiencies of the education system on them instead of politicians and parents. Compelling....I bet you hate First responders too.
j-mac
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I even quoted where I got that from...Can you be more clear?
And what prey tell, is a better system if you feel that the representative republic is ending in disaster?
Do you?
j-mac
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You are one vile bitch. You open with this and expect a civil response. Tell ya what, go to hell.
Thanks for again PROVING you are incapable of debate.
I am, frankly, quite sick of continually pwning your dumb ass. Do us all a favor and fuck off.
Oh, and where on earth did you get the idea that I expect a civil response from you?
j-mac
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Meh, you need a new playbook Howie. Claiming of others what you yourself are guilty of as a matter of deflection of the utter weakness of your own position is frankly, idiotic.
No, we are kicking your asses every day of the week, and twice on Tuesday's intellectually. You want to talk capabilities? All the left has is snarky, ridiculous slander, inflammatory name calling, and Bull Shit accusation. You Howie are one of the poster boys of this type of discourse...
That is a pure lie. And maybe that is the tactic around here lately from libs that can't argue their point, but I am going to do something that others won't because I can't see the harm in doing such...
I've been on political debate sites for some 10 years or better. In that time I was only ever "banned" one time from a site, and that was a temporary ban, then the site "WhistleStopper.com" went bust, and shut down. And further, the temp ban there was justified, because much like you do in here, it had devolved on my part to little more than flame throwing to incite instead of debate and discussion, and their rules were tighter. The other site I am still a member of, and as I said before came here to take a break from there, and see what else is out here, is "DebatePolitics.com"... I am still a member in good standing there, and continue to post on both here and there. So you see, you haven't got a clue as to what you are talking about, and it is easy enough to check that with my screen name, because unlike you dishonest fucking libs, I have only ever posted under one God Damned screen name, and for much of my posting life using the same avatar, you dumb fuck.
I can just imagine your forum...I wouldn't be a member of your forum if you paid me to join. Why would I?
AHA!...Another mischaracterization, and misstating of my position from none other than the most dishonest member of this board.
You joined there April 27th and accumulated 11,354 posts from that date until July 5th, when you disappeared. Which, coincidentally, is the date you joined this forum. That's slightly over two months later. Where were you banned from before that?????
You are nothing but a troll.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
"Democratic Socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives."
Did you note democracy/democratically?
Tell me again where you got the idea that I wanted to do away with representative government?
Please debate what I have said .. not what you wish I had said.
I've already posted what I believe is a better system .. the one you mischaracterized.
No, nor do I pretend to as you do.
apple0154
MEOW
(Excerpt) “There are a few things you need to understand about our 401(k) plan to understand the impact of Enrons collapse. First, we are free to make various kinds of investments with our own contributions, but the plan prohibits any employee under age 50 from trading the companys contributions. In other words, the company puts in its own stock, and until we reach age 50, we hold that stock. Second, until very recently, even after age 50, we could only trade 25% of the companys contributions per year.” (End) (Senate Hearings)
http://www.ibew.org/articles/01daily/0112/011218_enron_Vigil.htm
Do you understand what that means? The company had a pension plan. They put some of their stock into an “account” for each employee but the employee couldn’t touch that stock until they were 50 years old and then were allowed to divest only 25% each year. Those stocks were part of the employee’s remuneration just like salary and other benefits a company offers. Those stocks were part of each employee’s retirement plan and employees were not allowed to touch it. Do you understand?
Let me give you an example. My wife worked for a town/city. Part of her retirement plan was the city matched her contributions and the city held the plan. Upon retirement the city would pay her a pension from the taxes it collected. Assuming the city would be doing well in 20 years from the time she left until she reached retirement age all would be fine. But let’s suppose the city wasn’t doing well 20 years from now. Let’s suppose some bizarre thing happened and the city went bankrupt. You know, just like the towns and cities we read about today saying they might have to cut services and pensions.
Well, my wife being an accountant and a smart one at that read the contract and realized she had one year after leaving the employ of the city to withdraw all the pension funds including the contributions the city had contributed and proceeded to do so. It took almost a year for the city to comply after she notified them. Of course they didn’t want to part with the funds but, at least, she had the opportunity to get them. Enron employees did not have that opportunity.
We’ve discussed this before regarding medical care in Canada. While currently run by government there are vultures who actually sued the government to be allowed to open private clinics. In case you can’t see the obvious conflict of interest let’s say a person requires a hip replacement. They’re, say, 65 years old. They visit a hip replacement specialist and he tells them they have a choice between going on the government waiting list (approximately 6 months …http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2384274/) or having it done next week as a private procedure (in others words pay for it out of pocket). So, those who can afford to pay for it out of pocket get the operation immediately and those who go through the government wait longer and longer as more and more people choose to pay for it. The same applies to other procedures. If the physician is doing paid customers he can’t be doing government patients at the same time. The end result is a two tier system where government patients ultimately wait longer and longer.
The system can easily revert to the so-called “freedom” to which you refer. There are plenty of vultures out there just waiting to open clinics and grab the money. The problem is the one payer/government system will eventually be destroyed and we end up back where we started.
A lot has changed. While poverty is still rampant the degree has diminished. Again, look back in history. Entire families were homeless. Today, children are looked after even if many adults are ignored. In the past many single mothers had little choice but to become prostitutes to feed their children.
OK, let’s take a closer look at just how wrong you are. Take a look at the world before and after the industrial revolution. (The Industrial Revolution was a period from 1750 to 1850 where changes in agriculture, manufacturing, mining, transportation, and technology….: Wikipedia) Up to that point there was never a greater advancement in society, however, up to the 1930s, almost 200 years from the start of the industrial revolution, the poor and elderly were still left to their own meager devices to survive and many didn’t. Two hundred years! From digging a garden by hand to using a horse to jumping on a tractor and pulling a plow food production soared but, guess what, people still went hungry. Just like today when food production has reached the point where we can give it to other countries but some US citizens are still going hungry and/or are malnourished.
You see, it makes little difference how much capitalism improves the production of goods/products in relation to everyone acquiring what they need. We saw that with the housing boom. We couldn’t possibly house everyone but we could produce enough houses so that many people could buy two and three homes. We could produce so many homes that it was no big deal when entire communities composed of 150,000 new homes could be left to rot while we built more new homes. But we couldn’t possibly build inexpensive housing for the poor. Oh, no! That was out of the question.
We’ve seen the result of unbridled capitalism. The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. While inventions have made life much easier and much more enjoyable (dishwashers and big screen TVs)
there are people who still lack the basics like a decent meal and a warm place to live and capitalism alone will never change that. It doesn’t matter what technology is discovered or products produced. No invention is going to feed someone who lacks money. No invention is going to give a poor person a place to live. (Even if further research in string theory and dimensions result in having houses appear out of thin air the town in which the house appears will want the owner to pay for a permit and connection to city services.) He point being regardless of where we are on the technology/invention scale there will always be a portion of the people who will require help and the only way that help will come is if the government legislates it. We know, without any doubt after thousands of years of history, people do not tend to help others voluntarily. Some do, but very few in relation to the whole. That is, as they say, a self-evident truth. Government is the only way to solve the problem. You really have to read more history and get a perspective. The conclusions you draw are very one-sided.
What is laughable is that the only measure of "care" for you is how much of somebody else's money they are willing to force others to spend on it. The number of people on Government programs is not a measure of compassion, it is a measure of failure.
j-mac
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You joined there April 27th and accumulated 11,354 posts from that date until July 5th, when you disappeared. Which, coincidentally, is the date you joined this forum. That's slightly over two months later. Where were you banned from before that?????
You are nothing but a troll.
Ok, Howie, I am now going to show what a weaseling little lying troll you really are here. See, I posted for you the other sites I have been on, even the one where, even though I didn't have to, admitted that for a short time I was 'temp banned' on, and that was the "WhistleStopper.com" site. They no longer exist, however, many of those older members are on 'DebatePolitics.com'.... I posted these publicly so that not only you would take the chance to visit and see for your self which you did, then proceeded to lie about, but so that others could also look as well so that there is no question.
Now, here is how you lied...I joined "DebatePolitics" on 03-11-2009, NOT April 27th, with no year denotation as you falsely proclaim making it appear as though it was only this year in which I joined there accumulating some 11K posts...http://www.debatepolitics.com/members/j-mac.html Now, you do note that I stopped posting there when I came here, but failed to note that I am still a member there, and post there regularly, my last posting was last night, which was the first time in a couple of months based on my own preference of building up a presence on this board, and NOT as you imply that it somehow had something to do with breaking the sites rules, which if anyone is interested I can provide links to Mods, and the Administrator to verify if you wish, but that would be in private. Or anyone if they wished could simply go to the site themselves and ask Mods, as well as long time posters there. I trust that even my most strident opponents would tell you the truth about my standing there.
But instead, of being honest, Howie has chosen to lie here, and openly lie. Now, Howie, What boards have YOU been on, and or banned from you hack! I am open about mine, and you continue to lie.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Post where I've even slightly intimated that large numbers of people on government programs is a success?
Government programs are a safety net .. and the fact that we have them demonstrates a compassionate society.
What is laughable to me is what you think I think about "care." That's hilarious. :0)
It is the only thing that would make is "laughable" when comparing "right" to "left" in the matter of "care"... You'll talk about "cutting" programs, etc. I hear, often, from people on the "left" on this site talking about how the "right" doesn't support welfare enough so they are "heartless"... Now you post about how they don't "care"...
It's laughable, and your attempt to deflect with "but I didn't directly say that" is sad.