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rune is too afraid to address me directly.
Admit it Dems: Ryan scares the shit out of you
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j-mac
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Again, hyperbole wasn't the topic of discussion. Your theory that the "right doesn't care" was and my statement that support of government programs doesn't equal compassion and is not a measure of "care".
Now, since you said that wasn't your measure of "care", then please by all means tell me how the "right" doesn't "care" without mentioning a government program.
I understand now that his banishment has been lifted with very strict conditions. The administrator there posted openly and more than once that he was banned forever. Who knows? Maybe I could go over there and start posting again. But I don't think I will. This place is a thousand times more fun!!!!!! And from what I see so far, fair as well!!!!!
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Your premise is seriously flawed.
Support for programs that benefit the health and well-being of real and actual people is indeed a measure of caring.
I'll try this again ..
It's real simple .. if the first place you look to make cuts is to the safety-nets that are keeping millions of people alive .. then you don't care about the human condition .. especially when there are lots of other places to make cuts, starting with our over-bloated defense budget .. and including the trillions we give to already rich people.
Can you address that?
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you lied liarman. you claimed i couldn't even "see" the website.
lol, you're too stupid to even admit you lied. and the reasons you claimed i was banned are not true. poor liarman, trying so hard to fit in with liberals here and yet he has to lie to do so.
The premise isn't flawed it was proved by your posts here. I stated that your measure of "care" was how many people were on government programs. You insisted it was not your measure. I then pointed out that it is the measure of "care" of the "left"... And then you tried to deflect conversation into hyperbole, of which we were not speaking.
You then pointed out that the "right" doesn't "care" because they don't support enough government programs...
Which brings me right back to my original statement.
Your measure of care is based on how many people each "side" wants to support through government programs. This isn't a measure of compassion, it is actually a measure of failure. The measure of compassion should be based on how many no longer need government programs, not how many more you can add. The argument that the "right doesn't care" based on how much they do not support the same government programs you think they should is a worthless measure and only proves my original statement to be accurate.
USFREEDOM911
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN
Damo, if this theory is true, it is only an even graver indictment of the right over the past 30 years.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
AGAIN you run dude.
The point is real simple and very clear.
Can you address that point??
I never said that. I said that you couldn't go over there and read the posts because that is exactly what jimbo told you on the open board in one of your many attempts to re-register and always got your ass thrown back out. I am no liar, yuck. But you clearly are and that is as plain as the blue sky for anyone to see.
Not really. Most progress has been made by moderate Dem Presidents along with right-leaning congresses. The Welfare Reform Act passed in 1996 is a good example. The most striking indictment on this one would be the unimaginable numbers currently on food stamps while they run ads trying to gain more. This isn't success, it is a sign of the extreme failure of the "stimulus" program that Obama joked about during one of the extreme few "Jobs Councils" our beloved President has held. (ha ha... My plan didn't produce the shovel ready jobs I promised... Hahahahahaha!)
We care, we just don't believe that the government is, or ever should be, the first place we look for solutions.
Today, you can see my point that it is a measure of failure when you look at the food stamp program, more on it than ever before while the President sits in Jobs Councils joking about how his stimulus didn't produce the shovel-ready jobs he promised were there. Seriously, it is well borne out by the current circumstances and the past. Had his policy been successful there would be less people on Food Stamps, however today we get people who say that "the right" doesn't care because they point out this failure of policy.
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yes you did liarman:
and jim never said that. you are just a delusional liar. and after i logged on this morning, you tried a lame - well i just recently found out that he can log on.....lmao. you found out because i called your lie out and put it to rest. you are a proven liar hatorman.
simple as that.
tell us liarman....what beliefs do i hold that make me a jerk?
You seem to want me to address a point of yours before you even attempt to actually understand a point of mine. This is give and take. Tell me again how your measure isn't government programs, use examples that don't mention them because that is the only way you can make your point. At this point your original assertion that it wasn't the measure of "care" that you use hasn't borne out at all in this thread. Your only example of how "the right" doesn't care is the government programs you said weren't the measure you were using.
blackascoal
The Force is With Me
Don't bother.
j-mac
Verified User
First off, thank you for taking the time to discuss this with me....
Most definitely...When the people exercised their voice to congress twice during last summer 'We the People' were able to alter the vote in congress. Also, about corporations, the well worn attack against them is well known, as I am sure it is no surprise to you that a corporation legally is a "person" in the eyes of the law. Therefore, since corporations are made up of people, (shareholders) that invest in an idea or product, they like everyone else has a right to redress of grievance with the government. I am interested though, would you dismantle corporations, or corporate structure in the US? And what do you see as a ramification of that in terms of jobs, and innovation in the US if that is your view of a more suitable society?
I wouldn't measure the drapes just yet...
And what do you see as economic representation? Total Unionization?
Yeah, but what does that mean "removing corporate control"? These are nice tag lines, but they really explain little about what to expect.
No, Absolutely NOT! I think that the bailouts sent entirely the wrong message to business, and people in general, and was furious when the bailed out companies continued to take bonuses while average people suffered. Business should absolutely be allowed to fail. When that happens the beauty of capitalism is that another will take its place and the product often turns out better.
Sorry, I'd still prefer a doctor trained and licensed in the United States. Volume of doctors doesn't equal quality.
Yet the society in Lybia is crumbling under direct democracy...How would you explain that?
Which in effect if you ask me, unchecked this would be just as destructive as if the inverse were in place.
No, free is free. right are inalienable, not granted by man.
I don't believe that is the case, and the proof will come in November.
I am not in prison, nor do I plan to be.
Are you of the belief that only some Americans should be allowed access to their government?
That check is already in place...Don't like what your rep is doing, vote against them.
Thanks for that...And accept my apology for past, ugly confrontations.
Most definitely...When the people exercised their voice to congress twice during last summer 'We the People' were able to alter the vote in congress. Also, about corporations, the well worn attack against them is well known, as I am sure it is no surprise to you that a corporation legally is a "person" in the eyes of the law. Therefore, since corporations are made up of people, (shareholders) that invest in an idea or product, they like everyone else has a right to redress of grievance with the government. I am interested though, would you dismantle corporations, or corporate structure in the US? And what do you see as a ramification of that in terms of jobs, and innovation in the US if that is your view of a more suitable society?
I wouldn't measure the drapes just yet...
And what do you see as economic representation? Total Unionization?
Yeah, but what does that mean "removing corporate control"? These are nice tag lines, but they really explain little about what to expect.
No, Absolutely NOT! I think that the bailouts sent entirely the wrong message to business, and people in general, and was furious when the bailed out companies continued to take bonuses while average people suffered. Business should absolutely be allowed to fail. When that happens the beauty of capitalism is that another will take its place and the product often turns out better.
Sorry, I'd still prefer a doctor trained and licensed in the United States. Volume of doctors doesn't equal quality.
Yet the society in Lybia is crumbling under direct democracy...How would you explain that?
Which in effect if you ask me, unchecked this would be just as destructive as if the inverse were in place.
No, free is free. right are inalienable, not granted by man.
I don't believe that is the case, and the proof will come in November.
I am not in prison, nor do I plan to be.
Are you of the belief that only some Americans should be allowed access to their government?
That check is already in place...Don't like what your rep is doing, vote against them.
Thanks for that...And accept my apology for past, ugly confrontations.
Good Lord Damo, you well know that the economy was in tatters when Obama took over. The failure was that of eight years of neo-con pipe dreams. Get serious. Bush was handed a booming economy and destroyed it, despite the stimulus effect of two wars.
I'm told he's on a very tight leash, like a dog. Woof! And if he doesn't quit harrasing folks the dog will quote "head to the pound".
Ya know, for a bunch of cons, they're not that bad. We shared a mutual dislike of your smarm and trolling. Your screen name tickled me.
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I'm told he's on a very tight leash, like a dog. Woof! And if he doesn't quit harrasing folks the dog will quote "head to the pound".
Ya know, for a bunch of cons, they're not that bad. We shared a mutual dislike of your smarm and trolling. Your screen name tickled me.
what?
you know me from another board?
Certainly, dumbass.