What did Jordan Neely do?

AProudLefty said:
No. He shat his pants from what I heard.
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That happens when people die. All their muscles relax.


I’ll wait for the facts to come out.

Still, even if reasonable force and accidental death, Penny could be charged, but I doubt a jury would see how this was malicious or intentional.
 
Doc Dutch said:
That happens when people die. All their muscles relax.


I’ll wait for the facts to come out.

Still, even if reasonable force and accidental death, Penny could be charged, but I doubt a jury would see how this was malicious or intentional.
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Hence the manslaughter charge. ;)
 
AProudLefty said:
He was trained in the military to take excessive force. The argument could be made that it was the military who was at fault.
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No, he was not a trained police officer in the military, this idea that because Marines were taught hand to hand combat it means they had the same training as a police officer is simply incorrect, absurdly so. Military personnel may be trained to subdue someone with a hold, and this is one of the ways they were trained, but they are not all trained in Law Enforcement tactics. It is unusual for this particular hold to end the way it did. As I noted, even the prosecutor in NYC where they overcharge crimes in the hopes they'll get a plea deal, knew he had no basis to say it was his purpose.

Anyway, the standard will be "reasonable person" as he is not Law Enforcement any more than you are.
 
Damocles said:
No, he was not a trained police officer in the military, this idea that because Marines were taught hand to hand combat it means they had the same training as a police officer is simply incorrect, absurdly so. Military personnel may be trained to subdue someone with a hold, and this is one of the ways they were trained, but they are not all trained in Law Enforcement tactics. It is unusual for this particular hold to end the way it did. As I noted, even the prosecutor in NYC where they overcharge crimes in the hopes they'll get a plea deal, knew he had no basis to say it was his purpose.

Anyway, the standard will be "reasonable person" as he is not Law Enforcement any more than you are.
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I thought he was in the military.
 
AProudLefty said:
I thought he was in the military.
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Yeah, he was a Marine veteran. He was not MP, or otherwise trained in law enforcement though. He's a civilian. Even if he was active duty currently he's still "a civilian" in this context as he was not Law Enforcement personnel.
 
AProudLefty said:
Damocles said:
No, he was not a trained police officer in the military, this idea that because Marines were taught hand to hand combat it means they had the same training as a police officer is simply incorrect, absurdly so. Military personnel may be trained to subdue someone with a hold, and this is one of the ways they were trained, but they are not all trained in Law Enforcement tactics. It is unusual for this particular hold to end the way it did. As I noted, even the prosecutor in NYC where they overcharge crimes in the hopes they'll get a plea deal, knew he had no basis to say it was his purpose.

Anyway, the standard will be "reasonable person" as he is not Law Enforcement any more than you are.
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I thought he was in the military.
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Penny was in the Marine Corps. Not sure about Neely’s history.

Damo’s point is a valid one; military personnel are not police. This is why it’s a bad idea to use the military to secure the border.

Better, IMO, to simply put any business owner who entices illegals with jobs or rentals to spend 6 months in prison.
 
Au untreated crazy man was guilty of acting crazy and noisy. I suppose any other person there had a right to kill him. Maybe they should have ganged up on him and spread the right-wing credit among them.
 
Nordberg said:
Au untreated crazy man was guilty of acting crazy and noisy. I suppose any other person there had a right to kill him. Maybe they should have ganged up on him and spread the right-wing credit among them.
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It’s NYC; the place where lots of Liberals don’t give a shit about homeless wackos. Neely said he was hungry…in the largest city of the United States.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Penny was in the Marine Corps. Not sure about Neely’s history.

Damo’s point is a valid one; military personnel are not police. This is why it’s a bad idea to use the military to secure the border.

Better, IMO, to simply put any business owner who entices illegals with jobs or rentals to spend 6 months in prison.
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So like I said, pin it on the military. They're the one who trained him to use excessive (deadly) forces.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Penny was in the Marine Corps. Not sure about Neely’s history.

Damo’s point is a valid one; military personnel are not police. This is why it’s a bad idea to use the military to secure the border.

Better, IMO, to simply put any business owner who entices illegals with jobs or rentals to spend 6 months in prison.
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Dammit!!! Now I want to watch Con Air again!
 
Jarod said:
What did Jordan Neely do to deserve being put in a chokehold?

It sure seems to me there was likely an easier and less deadly way to restrain him than a chokehold.

I think the guy who killed him overreacted, but I could be convinced otherwise cause I don’t see much evidence of what actually happened.

At first blush, it looks like manslaughter to me?
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He threatened to KILL people.
 
He had 42 previous arrests on charges such as theft and assaults on three women. He had pleaded guilty to assaulting a 67-year-old woman leaving a subway station in 2021. An outstanding warrant was out for his arrest


But that has ended!
 
Any traditionally trained martial artists with just a few years under their belts know a plethora of ways of neutralizing an opponent WITHOUT using a choke hold. Mind you, the opponent won't be happy and my suffer some temporary pain and discomfort, but they would be alive.

Penny's combat training coupled with over-reaction resulted in unnecessary death.
 
volsrock said:
He had 42 previous arrests on charges such as theft and assaults on three women. He had pleaded guilty to assaulting a 67-year-old woman leaving a subway station in 2021. An outstanding warrant was out for his arrest


But that has ended!
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You can repeat this until doomsday, but that won't change the fact that NEITHER PENNY OR ANYONE ON THAT SUBWAY CAR WAS AWARE OF THAT RAP SHEET. The TRIAL will tell the COMPLETE story as to what went down. Until then, it's all speculation based on bits and parts of information.

So take off the pointy hood and wipe the sweat off your brow and the spittle off your mouth....and WAIT.
 
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