What did Jordan Neely do?

There is nothing to cheer here, nor is there evidence of deliberate murder. Jordan threatened the lives of those in the rail car, and also expressed a disregard for his own. Being a danger to himself and others someone decided to take some action to protect the people around him, and to try to stop the man from hurting others or himself.

While the action did result in the death of Jordan Neely, there are many who might take that same action if they felt threatened by someone threatening them or others around them and acting erratically.

What we will learn at his manslaughter trial was whether a reasonable person might take that action. Whether a reasonable person might feel threatened by Jordan at that time. Even the prosecutor doesn't believe he was trying to kill Jordan, the charges made that clear.
 
Anyone who has spent much time in a D run big city over these last years thus knows exactly what happened here.
 
Jarod said:
Some random tweet is now considered a good source?
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That isn't a random tweet. You can follow the link in the tweet and read the article. Folks nowadays love to pretend they don't know how the internets work, but we know better... You do... You just chose to be ignorant here.
 
The stories of people being assaulted now in mass transit with lots of people around and nobody does anything but maybe recording on their phones are heart breaking.

This shit is societal cancer.
 
Tangentially I read a story recently of someone in flight on a commercial aircraft pissing on another passenger....I mean this is where our leaders have taken this society.

Buckle Up, this is going to be brutal.
 
Damocles said:
That isn't a random tweet. You can follow the link in the tweet and read the article. Folks nowadays love to pretend they don't know how the internets work, but we know better... You do... You just chose to be ignorant here.
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Still no creditable source.
 
Jarod said:
What did Jordan Neely do to deserve being put in a chokehold?

It sure seems to me there was likely an easier and less deadly way to restrain him than a chokehold.

I think the guy who killed him overreacted, but I could be convinced otherwise cause I don’t see much evidence of what actually happened.

At first blush, it looks like manslaughter to me?
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He was caught being mentally ill in a big blue city. Penny will be prosecuted and little to nothing will change.
 
Tinkerpeach said:
Sure if you have years of training in how to subdue someone without killing them.

What if you think he is subdued and let him go and he pulls out a gun and shoots a kid?
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Doc Dutch said:
He was caught being mentally ill in a big blue city. Penny will be prosecuted and little to nothing will change.
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Because what we have is what our owners want (Carlin), they brought us here, they are not sorry, they are not changing course.
 
Damocles said:
There is nothing to cheer here, nor is there evidence of deliberate murder. Jordan threatened the lives of those in the rail car, and also expressed a disregard for his own. Being a danger to himself and others someone decided to take some action to protect the people around him, and to try to stop the man from hurting others or himself.

While the action did result in the death of Jordan Neely, there are many who might take that same action if they felt threatened by someone threatening them or others around them and acting erratically.

What we will learn at his manslaughter trial was whether a reasonable person might take that action. Whether a reasonable person might feel threatened by Jordan at that time. Even the prosecutor doesn't believe he was trying to kill Jordan, the charges made that clear.
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That is all understandable. The keyword is "excessive force". That is the deciding factor.
 
Jarod said:
Still no creditable source.
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You didn't read the article. It quotes witnesses from other sources. One that even leftists find credible. I suggest you drop your deliberate ignorance. The article isn't long enough for you to maintain this purposeful ignorance.
 
AProudLefty said:
That is all understandable. The keyword is "excessive force". That is the deciding factor.
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Not particularly. In the case of a civilian taking action, it will be whether other reasonable folks would take that same action. Excessive force is something you use for someone in the peacekeeping profession, not for a civilian defending against threats to themselves or others.

Anyway, I will watch the trial with everyone else. And depending on the outcome will see if I agree with their determination. If necessary I will obtain a transcript, and if available video, so I can see the same information that the jury sees.
 
Damocles said:
Not particularly. In the case of a civilian taking action, it will be whether other reasonable folks would take that same action. Excessive force is something you use for someone in the peacekeeping profession, not for a civilian defending against threats to themselves or others.
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He was trained in the military to take excessive force. The argument could be made that it was the military who was at fault.
 
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