Imagine that. All the evidence is showing COVID was the sniffles, not the Apocalypse

[artichoke]

This message is hidden because Arminius is on all sane persons' ignore list.

So petty and triggered.

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[artichoke]

40,000 US sniffles deaths and counting

And? Even WITH deliberately inflating COVID deaths, even WITH the flu vaccine suppressing flu deaths, even WITH up to 85 times as many COVID infections as we thought there were (meaning the death rate is much, much lower than any of the 'experts' predicted, exactly as I said would come out)...Even with ALL THAT, COVID isn't even as deadly as the ordinary flu.



But you thought you were going to make some devastating counterpoint by pointing out the death counts for the billionth time?

You morons make this too easy.

 

[christiefan915]

So just blind denial of what you did. We're at THAT level of petty avoidance and dishonesty. There is officially no reason to talk to you then.

Translation: If I just keep screaming "You're stupid" over everyone who points out my hilariously moronic inability to follow a basic conversation, that will get me out of this.

I know exactly what I did. I mocked the trump toadies like you who treat every word that falls from his lips like manna from heaven.

Of course you don't have to talk to me, and some day I'll recover from this death blow.
Also, I will continue to refute your comments when they get especially ludicrous, which is 99% of the time.

 

[christiefan915]

Well yeah, that's how standards work. You get to crucify conservatives over nothing, we get to at least demand that your rapists and pedophiles be properly IDENTIFIED as what they are. Plus, Blasey invented her 'memories' from thoroughly debunked junk science and proved own bullshit wrong at every turn, but I digress.

Seems fair.



Says the guy crucifying Kavanaugh for complete garbage accusations while defending a CREDIBLE accusation against Biden.

Explain how Reade's accusation is more credible than Dr. Ford's. This should be good.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Which no one is doing, hence the irrelevancy of your point.

Actually, you are doing it again and again and again. You have claimed to have linked to flu data but I can find NO link. Please post your link to flu data that is an actual count of deaths and not an estimate.

Unless you count the DOZENS of times I've linked to the CDC, Johns Hopkins, NIH, etc., across about five threads now.

Except not a single link you have posted gives an actual count of flu deaths. CDC produces and estimate. John Hopkins and NIH use the CDC estimate. So, we are back to you claiming you have posted something that you haven't.

You don't just get to pretend away what is provable and on the record happening, moron.

So then since I am the one pretending, you surely must have a link to an ACTUAL count of flu deaths. I am still waiting for you to provide it like you claim you have done repeatedly. But you just can't seem to post such a link.

Let's deal with THESE falsehoods of yours before moving on to your other 70 "counterpoints."

When you post a link to ACTUAL deaths from flu let me know. Until then you are simply making claims you can't back up.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

And? Even WITH deliberately inflating COVID deaths, even WITH the flu vaccine suppressing flu deaths, even WITH up to 85 times as many COVID infections as we thought there were (meaning the death rate is much, much lower than any of the 'experts' predicted, exactly as I said would come out)...Even with ALL THAT, COVID isn't even as deadly as the ordinary flu.



But you thought you were going to make some devastating counterpoint by pointing out the death counts for the billionth time?

You morons make this too easy.

There are not 60 million Covid infections in the US.

The study you are referring to found that 2.1-4.6% of the population had the antibodies. The test used for that study has been determined to have a more than 5% false positive result.

Test accuracy is unclear

But at the moment, the true accuracy of serologic tests for SARS-CoV-2 is another unknown. So far, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has granted an emergency use authorization (EUA) for only one antibody test—the qSARS-CoV-2 IgG/IgM Rapid Test from Cellex. The EUA allows a company to market unapproved diagnostic and therapeutic products during a declared emergency. According to Cellex, the test was 93.8% sensitive in testing on 128 samples from Chinese COVID-19 patients confirmed by reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR), and 96.4% specific.

Those impressive-looking numbers, though still leave the possibility of a significant number of people having false-positive and false-negative tests. For example, if 5% of the US population actually had the virus, a test with 95% sensitivity and 95% specificity conducted in a million people would correctly detect 47,500 cases, along with 2,500 false-negatives (those who were infected but were missed).

But it would also produce 47,500 false-positives. So, if only 5% of the population was infected, the number of true-positives and false-positives would be the same.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...es-covid-19-exposure-immunity-its-complicated

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Far more people have died than normal and are not being counted as Covid 19 deaths. Statistically Covid 19 deaths are probably being undercounted.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Wow.. actual data and math.

 

[artichoke]

I know exactly what I did. I mocked the trump toadies like you who treat every word that falls from his lips like manna from heaven.

Of course you don't have to talk to me, and some day I'll recover from this death blow.
Also, I will continue to refute your comments when they get especially ludicrous, which is 99% of the time.

Continue? You have to START refuting something before you can CONTINUE doing so.

Newsflash: Empty childish posturing and pretending away your comical blunders isn't refutation.

Neither is:

-trying to correct people for comprehending what his own posts mean in English better than he can.
-insisting that the existence of a lot of bodies in one place can't possibly co-exist with COVID being no more deadly than the ordinary flu.
-forgetting which conversation he's responding to.
-lashing out at people for not detecting his "sarcasm" of making completely unrelated incoherent statements.

 

[artichoke]

There are not 60 million Covid infections in the US.

The study you are referring to found that 2.1-4.6% of the population had the antibodies. The test used for that study has been determined to have a more than 5% false positive result.


https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-per...es-covid-19-exposure-immunity-its-complicated

Even taking this at face value, the end result is the same. The number of COVID infections are (as I predicted) far, FAR higher than the "experts" thought...meaning the number of COVID deaths are...out of a vastly larger ocean of COVID cases...meaning the COVID death rate is much lower than anyone thought.

 

[artichoke]

Far more people have died than normal and are not being counted as Covid 19 deaths. Statistically Covid 19 deaths are probably being undercounted.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/04/16/tracking-covid-19-excess-deaths-across-countries

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Wow.. actual data and math.

1) You're using NY Times for "actual data and math?"

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2) Everyone involved openly admits to deliberately wildly inflating the data with fake COVID cases.

3) We actually have unusually low overall deaths right now.

 

[artichoke]

Explain how Reade's accusation is more credible than Dr. Ford's. This should be good.

1) Recovered memory therapy is a discredited joke. Psychologists treat it like astrology. It's about that scientific and laughable. That's where Blasey's made-up "memories" came from.

2) Almost ANY accusation is more credible than that.

3) Biden is being accused by a DEMOCRAT ACTIVIST with no reason to lie.

How can you see these two things as anything but night-and-day polar opposites?

 

[artichoke]

Actually, you are doing it again and again and again.

Your inability to comprehend what you read is not me posting links that don't back up what I'm claiming. It's you struggling with basic logic.

You have claimed to have linked to flu data but I can find NO link.

Flu deaths. COVID compared to flu.

Please post your link to flu data that is an actual count of deaths and not an estimate.

The CDC doesn't tabulate them as exact counts, only ranges, which (as already explained once) is fine for showing that COVID deaths aren't even as bad as the ordinary flu.

Again, let's deal with THESE fallacies and lies before dealing with your other 70 "counterpoints" (trying to out-talk people with quantity over quality will get you nowhere).

 

[moon]

Arminius;

Imagine that. All the evidence is showing COVID was the sniffles, not the Apocalypse

You can fuck off now, dumbass. You've won the insane troll award.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Even taking this at face value, the end result is the same. The number of COVID infections are (as I predicted) far, FAR higher than the "experts" thought...meaning the number of COVID deaths are...out of a vastly larger ocean of COVID cases...meaning the COVID death rate is much lower than anyone thought.

Can't do the math?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

1) You're using NY Times for "actual data and math?"

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It seems you can't do statistics either. Can you tell us where their math and data is wrong? Are these deaths in all those countries imaginary?

2) Everyone involved openly admits to deliberately wildly inflating the data with fake COVID cases.

Opinion piece. Article that says they were likely undercounting not that they are now overcounting. Opinion piece. It's nice that people have opinions. Too bad you don't have any data proving they are overcounting.

3) We actually have unusually low overall deaths right now.

You keep posting that link when it does not show that overall deaths are low. It only shows that the percentage of deaths from Covid19 have spiked dramatically as % of overall deaths. NYC currently has almost 3 times it's normal death rate. It seems in your case, you can't cure your stupidity.

By the way, CDC updated it's deaths per week data again -
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
Without all the data in, the deaths for the week ending 4/4 are 103% of expected deaths with Covid deaths making up about 5% of that total. It will only go up as death certificates come in.
Please point out that deaths for the week ending 4/18 are down 75% so we can all laugh at how stupid you are.

 

[artichoke]

Arminius;


You can fuck off now, dumbass. You've won the insane troll award.

45,075 COVID deaths in the U.S.
24,000 – 62,000 ordinary flu deaths in the U.S.

So even WITH deliberately inflating the COVID death numbers, WITH the flu vaccine reducing flu deaths (which COVID does not have), and WITH the "experts" underestimating how many infected there are by up to 85 times the actual amount...COVID still isn't as deadly as the ordinary flu.

Don't lash out at facts and science. They did nothing wrong here. The problem is the low-IQ left.

 

[artichoke]

Can't do the math?

Can't reason out the irrelevance?

 

[artichoke]

It seems you can't do statistics either. Can you tell us where their math and data is wrong? Are these deaths in all those countries imaginary?

Sure, see points 2 and 3 in the post you're responding to.

Opinion piece.

1) Accurate claims cannot occur in an opinion piece?

Someone's desperate to avoid the debate.

2) NY Times is nothing but unhinged extremist opinion. You just hide behind false labels while everyone else is honest.

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Article that says they were likely undercounting not that they are now overcounting. Opinion piece. It's nice that people have opinions. Too bad you don't have any data proving they are overcounting.

Yeah, having Dr. Birx and all the governors directly cited in the links admitting to instructing people to wildly overcount COVID deaths is "having no data" showing they are over-counting.

Blind denial, much?

You keep posting that link when it does not show that overall deaths are low.

It does. You just haven't evolved into adult-level reasoning enough to think beyond what CNN is spoon-feeding you yet.

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It only shows that the percentage of deaths from Covid19 have spiked dramatically as % of overall deaths.

Nope. It shows nothing like that. Sounds like it's time for a first-year introduction to statistics course.

NYC currently has almost 3 times it's normal death rate.

It's measuring OVERALL NATIONWIDE deaths, genius. Perhaps remedial reading comprehension course wouldn't hurt either.

It seems in your case, you can't cure your stupidity.

Says the guy who can't tell the difference between NYC and the U.S.

Grassfire explained the data best: "The average for weeks 9 through 11 for the four prior years was a total of 170,555 deaths. For weeks 9 through 11 this year, the total is 153,015, meaning 17,540 fewer people died in America during the first three weeks of March than could be reasonably expected. And the gap between historic deaths and weekly deaths is widening. For week 11, just 47,655 Americans died, 8,773 and 15% fewer than the average for week 11 in the prior four years. And while data on week 12 is not complete, it is trending similar to week 11 and will likely be down by 15% (around 8,700 deaths less than expected) even though 1,919 COVID-19 deaths were reported (in week beginning 3/22)."​

By the way, CDC updated it's deaths per week data again

Yeah, I noticed, and your scaremongering anti-science doomsday cult is still laughably wrong.

45,075 COVID deaths in the U.S.
24,000 – 62,000 ordinary flu deaths in the U.S.

So even WITH deliberately inflating the COVID death numbers, WITH the flu vaccine reducing flu deaths (which COVID does not have), and WITH the "experts" underestimating how many infected there are by up to 85 times the actual amount...COVID still isn't as deadly as the ordinary flu.

Don't lash out at facts and science. They did nothing wrong here. The problem is the low-IQ left.

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[moon]

People need a laugh in these grim times. Here ya go;

Arminius;

Imagine that. All the evidence is showing COVID was the sniffles, not the Apocalypse

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Can't reason out the irrelevance?

It seems there is no reasoning with you. If that makes you irrelevant, so be it.