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Satire for Sanity
Such is the nature of attention-seeking trolls.
Imagine that. All the evidence is showing COVID was the sniffles, not the Apocalypse
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Such is the nature of attention-seeking trolls.
Repeating your idiotic claims doesn't make them true. There is no evidence that anyone is wildly overstating deaths from Covid. As the numbers come into CDC, we are seeing that deaths in late March are above the average for the previous 3 years. (103% for first week of April and not all data is in yet.) That would show your point 2 to be false. Your point 3 is based on your errors in point 2.
Sure, see points 2 and 3 in the post you're responding to.
Less likely to occur there than in a NY Times article. If you have no evidence but opinion pieces then you don't have much evidence. I have presented actual CDC data with a link to the CDC website where that data can actually be found. You keep posting a link that does not contain any of the information you are attempting to support. You are only posting it because it was the link your uninformed source gave you. It seems you can't figure out what is on that page. It only lists flu and pneumonia deaths as percent of overall deaths. It does not give a death count. you think the percentage is the number of deaths but 5 out of 20 is the same percentage as 50 out of 200.1) Accurate claims cannot occur in an opinion piece?
Says the guy who called the math irrelevant.Someone's desperate to avoid the debate.
See your claim about opinion pieces above.2) NY Times is nothing but unhinged extremist opinion. You just hide behind false labels while everyone else is honest.
Your interpretation of what they said doesn't change what they said. They don't instruct people to wildly overcount. They instruct people to set a standard for counting. Because you don't like them using the same standard that is used for flu seems a little odd.Yeah, having Dr. Birx and all the governors directly cited in the links admitting to instructing people to wildly overcount COVID deaths is "having no data" showing they are over-counting.
Blind denial, much?
Since I don't watch CNN, I can't be spoon-fed anything by them. I go to the actual sources which is why I post links to CDC and you only post links to opinion pieces on RW websites.It does. You just haven't evolved into adult-level reasoning enough to think beyond what CNN is spoon-feeding you yet.
I think you need to take some basic algebra before we can start you on statistics.Nope. It shows nothing like that. Sounds like it's time for a first-year introduction to statistics course.
So you can't explain why NYC has 3 times it's normal death rate right now? What do you think is happening in NYC? NYC is what the rest of the US could be like if we don't stop the virus. So to recap, US deaths are up by a few percentage points and NYC is almost triple it's normal rate.It's measuring OVERALL NATIONWIDE deaths, genius. Perhaps remedial reading comprehension course wouldn't hurt either.
Says the guy who can't tell the difference between NYC and the U.S.
As has been explained to you. The idiot you are posting the quote from is using data that specifically states that it can take up to 8 weeks for all the data to be in. Since that idiot wrote this, for week 11 the deaths have increased to 53,142 because more death certificates have arrived. For weeks 9-11 the total is now 161,140, The data is updated weekly and can be found here -Grassfire explained the data best: "The average for weeks 9 through 11 for the four prior years was a total of 170,555 deaths. For weeks 9 through 11 this year, the total is 153,015, meaning 17,540 fewer people died in America during the first three weeks of March than could be reasonably expected. And the gap between historic deaths and weekly deaths is widening. For week 11, just 47,655 Americans died, 8,773 and 15% fewer than the average for week 11 in the prior four years. And while data on week 12 is not complete, it is trending similar to week 11 and will likely be down by 15% (around 8,700 deaths less than expected) even though 1,919 COVID-19 deaths were reported (in week beginning 3/22)."
Yeah, I noticed, and your scaremongering anti-science doomsday cult is still laughably wrong.
45,075 COVID deaths in the U.S.
24,000 – 62,000 ordinary flu deaths in the U.S.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/COVID19/index.htm
Then explain why the first week of April is showing deaths at 103% of the last 3 years on the CDC website and we don't even have all the deaths added in yet. The most deaths in a week with the flu is 4,000. Covid is giving us 4,000 deaths in 2 days.
Let me know when you have actual facts and science because what you post is easily refuted. See the CDC website link that refutes it.Don't lash out at facts and science. They did nothing wrong here. The problem is the low-IQ left.
You being unable to reason out simple facts such as what is and is not irrelevant means that it's ME who can't be reasoned with?
Nice logic.
Do you EVER stop crying and mindlessly lashing out? Take some Midol.
Wait, I thought pointing out your inability to stay on topic made me "irrelevant."
Which is it? Does noticing that you have the attention span of a fly disqualify me from debate or doesn't it?
Conservatives were right. The "experts" were wildly wrong again, as usual.
States cancel plans for extra hospitals as doomsday predictions fall short
How Did The Coronavirus Models Get Everything So Wrong?
COVID-19 Projection Models Are Proving to Be Unreliable
Coronavirus: The Wrong Numbers
U.S. ducks coronavirus doomsday as projections miss mark
For future reference. When we call Democrats the "anti-science" party, this is the kind of humiliating debacle we're referring to.
For future reference, your sources left me in the same state. ROTFLMFAO. Your binary choice is ignorant. Even with social distancing, there have been over 50,000 deaths in less than two months. So it isn't the sniffles. As more data is made available, models become more accurate. It's pretty simple stuff. Only someone who utterly lacks any understanding of math, science, and statistics would be this clueless.
You being unable to reason out simple facts such as what is and is not irrelevant means that it's ME who can't be reasoned with?
Nice logic.
You are the one that said the math is irrelevant when we are talking numbers.
Wait, I thought pointing out your inability to stay on topic made me "irrelevant."
Which is it? Does noticing that you have the attention span of a fly disqualify me from debate or doesn't it?
So your failure to address any of the salient points I made means I am the one that isn't staying on topic? You are guilty of the red herring and the ad hominum fallacies. It seems you can't address the fact that your claim about this being no worse than the flu has been easily rebutted.
Let me recap for you :
The worst week of deaths from flu - 4000 (Estimate from 2018)
The worst week of death from Covid-19 - 15,269 April 12-18, 2020
The most deaths from flu in a month - 13,000 (Estimate from 2018)
The most deaths in a month from Covid-19 - 51,344 (April 1 - April 27, the month isn't yet over.)
Average flu deaths per day during flu season - 383 (Estimate for 2020)
Average Covid-19 deaths per day for April - 1901
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Showing that Democrats are fear-mongering the sniffles into the Apocalypse is offering a false choice?
Nice logic.
You do realize that you simply saying words doesn't mean you've refuted anything anyone has said, right?
Those numbers are admittedly deliberately inflated to the extreme. COVID deaths are still on par with the common flu, even WITH all the Demagogue Party fear-mongering, exaggerating, and lying about the COVID death calculations. And that's WITH the flu vaccine driving down flu death numbers, and WITH the wildly underestimated COVID infections.
Nothing has proven further from the truth.
‘Incorrect’ Models ‘Biggest Push Points’ For Economic Shutdown
Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
Expert COVID prediction of 50K hospitalizations in N.Y. by April 1 turned out to be 400% too high
Anything else you'd like to humiliate yourself being hilariously wrong about or are you good for now? Speaking of ignorance.
Only someone who utterly lacks any understanding of math, science, and statistics would be this clueless.[/QUOTE]
A blatant falsehood.
I corrected your bogus reasoning. You responded with a diversionary demand for numbers that were in no way necessary for the logic to be true. Total horse shit.
Your fantasies are not reality.
Meanwhile back in the real world...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
It seems the US is seeing 14,000-17,000 more deaths per week than the average of the 3 previous years.
Meanwhile back in the real world...
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
It seems the US is seeing 14,000-17,000 more deaths per week than the average of the 3 previous years.
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Showing that Democrats are fear-mongering the sniffles into the Apocalypse is offering a false choice?
Nice logic.
You do realize that you simply saying words doesn't mean you've refuted anything anyone has said, right?
Those numbers are admittedly deliberately inflated to the extreme. COVID deaths are still on par with the common flu, even WITH all the Demagogue Party fear-mongering, exaggerating, and lying about the COVID death calculations. And that's WITH the flu vaccine driving down flu death numbers, and WITH the wildly underestimated COVID infections.
Nothing has proven further from the truth.
‘Incorrect’ Models ‘Biggest Push Points’ For Economic Shutdown
Epidemiologist Behind Highly-Cited Coronavirus Model Drastically Downgrades Projection
Expert COVID prediction of 50K hospitalizations in N.Y. by April 1 turned out to be 400% too high
Anything else you'd like to humiliate yourself being hilariously wrong about or are you good for now? Speaking of ignorance.
Only someone who utterly lacks any understanding of math, science, and statistics would be this clueless.
Hi troll. There is simply no reason to respond to you. Literally everything you said was wrong.
I've used CDC from the beginning. Your failure to comprehend what the science shows is not anyone else operating on "fantasies." And as you already know, those numbers are wildly, deliberately, admittedly inflated and misleading in the extreme. That's not you basing your assertions on CDC. It's you twisting what they put out.
Try to have a little integrity next time.
Assuring me I'm wrong isn't refutation. It's failing at debate.
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Hi troll. There is simply no reason to respond to you. Literally everything you said was wrong
Assuring me I'm wrong isn't refutation. It's failing at debate.
I'll explain, since despite your attempts at quoting me, you appear to have failed. If I ask someone how they like football, and they explain that they just love to see a sport where guys wear swim trunks, the conversation is over. You don't have a baseline knowledge from which to intelligently discuss the issue, so there is no point. Hope that clears it up for you.
So how do you think the CDC gets its death totals for each week? According to them, they collect information from death certificates.
Since they collect information from death certificates how can their total deaths be exaggerated?
