White Women’s Rage: 5 Thoughts on Why Jan Brewer Should Keep Her Fingers to Herself

poet said:
Listen. I respect women, in general. However, knowing the gentleman that I am, if a woman ever dared to get in my face and point finger, I hope I have the wherewithal to walk away. I'm telling you now, there is no guarantee. A woman doesn't have the right to put her finger in the face of a man, as much as he doesn't have the right to put his finger in her face. Women are behind bars for malice, murder and mayhem. Some, undoubtedly, resulting from a woman pointing her finger in the face of a man. Self defense is allowed.
FYI, I don't think it's ok to hit a woman. A woman that is acting like a woman....sane and coherent. A woman trying to harm you, all bets are off. Now, if you think that is being unreasonable, and I'm supposed to wind up dead, with my hands tied behind my back, then go do yourself.
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As far as I know, I'm still on IA; so will someone please inform this idiot of the following, not that abusers ever will admit to being wrong.

Just because someone wags their finger in your face, you DO NOT have the right to assume that it's going to escalate and strike them.
Doing so will probably result in you being arrested and NO you will not be allowed to claim self defense.
 
poet said:
It's happened on one occasion. She called the police, who informed her, that since I was paying rent, she couldn't evict me. I eventually removed myself from the situation.
I don't intend for that to ever happen again. I would walk away....I think. But nobody puts their hands on nobody....especially me. All bets are off.
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You could have just left, when your mom asked you to; but it was nice that you were paying her some rent, for her letting you stay there. :)
 
Superfreak said:
Just don't bring a lesbian into the conversation, because they scare poet and he might hit them.
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I'm not scared of anyone. And a lesbian might hit you....and dare you to do something about it. Are you serious? Some don't abide men, and will cut you. You'll be dead. Don't play.
 
Aoxomoxoa said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Perhaps, but could you just imagine what our resident neocon/teabagger/libertarian magpies would be squawking if it was Maxine Waters wagging her finger in the face of the Shrub in a public photo op?!?!
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Yes, you're right they would be going apeshit about it. But that is the nature of US politics, I can't help feeling though that she must be laughing all the way to the polling booth about it. However, as Maggie Thatcher said about the IRA in Northern Ireland, you shouldn't give them the oxygen of publicity. One further thing though, that man who shouted liar at Obama should have been banned from Capitol Hill, for a period of time, for his transgression.
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Oh, it's all about the photo-op....and the willfully ignorant and bigoted little shits in Arizona will vote her back into office with this talking point on their lips. But as usual, Obama comes off as the graceful, dignified statesman. Oh, I wouldn't compare the neocon/teabaggers to the IRA in any shape form or manner....but Thatcher was your version of Reagan....nuff said.
 
Yurt said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
The POINT I and others are making is that NO Democrat Congressman or Senator gave a public display of disrespect to the Shrub ( note I call him that, as did radio jocks, but NOT Dem politicos) on the level that they have and are doing to Obama. Period. YOU just confirmed that, so don't try weaseling/waffeling on that acknowledgement.
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would you consider a chorus of boos during the state of the union a public display of respect?
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That was from the civilian audience....NOT the Dem Senators or Congressmen.
 
Yurt said:
no.

now, answer this question: did a republican ever boo obama during a SOTU? Not to my immediate recollection, and NEITHER DID A DEMOCRAT
yes, a democratic senator said bush is not qualified and is inexperienced (same as "over his head")
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Who? And was this AFTER the Shrub became President?
 
Darla said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
My opinion was not addressing Theron in context of white perception of what "hot" is, but rather just a straight out and out comparison.....Davis is NOT considered in the same hot zone as Theron....Halley Berry is, which is why Davis stated up front that if Halley Berry is having problems keeping gainfully employed in, thinks of what she (Davis) who DOES NOT equate to Berry's attractiveness (her words, not mine) is going through.

What Theron did is what women of every race, creed and color due when they are trying to be "nice" to a friend they KNOW could not compete with them for the attention of the majority of men in the room. A matter of history and fact of which I was NOT trying to pin a racial overtone to.
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I was referring to the discussion taking place among self-identified black women, underneath the original link. Some of the things I read there indicated that some black women believe that the standard of "hotness" in our culture is a white standard, which is often unconscious. And that because Berry is half-white, and her skin is not that dark, she fits a white standard of beauty more than the darker-skinned Davis. There was even a lot of discussion of how some black men have this view. But their bottom line was that a dark-skinned woman like Davis was not going to be offered roles as a sex interest.

Now, I'm not a black woman so I really can't say. But it was a very interesting discussion, and taichi, I really don't think it's a discussion your or I are going to make the finalized decision on.
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Actually, being a black man over the age of thirty, I can make that finalized decision. Black folk are still the minority in America, and "acceptance" on various business and social levels by the majority of white folk (consciously or unconsciously) depends on the level of African features. Like it or not, the old rule still plays heavily in this society despite the growing number of folk who reject it (or never contemplated it in the first place). That rule is if you're white it's alright, if you're yellow it's mellow, if you're tan it's grand, if you're brown hang around, but if you're black get back.
 
cawacko said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
That was from the civilian audience....NOT the Dem Senators or Congressmen.
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Taichi, are you saying the background noise during the speech is from civilians and not people in Congress?


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Grumbling to be sure, (which is standard fare over the decades) but I'm not hearing "BOOOOO!" or "Liar"...... So I really don't know where Yurtle and company are getting this exact comparison crap.
 
Taichiliberal said:
That was from the civilian audience....NOT the Dem Senators or Congressmen.
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that is simply not true and i think you know it. if you don't, open your eyes.

TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]

JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]
 
Yurt said:
that is simply not true and i think you know it. if you don't, open your eyes.

TED KOPPEL (ABC host): When the president talked about the bankruptcy of Social Security, there were clearly some Democrats on the floor who thought that that was taking it too far. And they did something that, apparently, no one at this table has ever heard before. They booed. [ABC, Nightline, 2/2/05; Koppel's panel consisted of former Bush adviser Mary Matalin, former Reagan chief of staff Ken Duberstein, and former Clinton speechwriter Michael Waldman]

JOHN ROBERTS (CBS White House correspondent): At a couple points in this address, it looked more like the British Parliament than the United States Congress. I've never heard the minority party shout at the president during the State of the Union address. [CBS, post-speech coverage, 2/2/05]
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I've listened to it 5 times now and I'm not hearing any 'boos'.

I am hearing sounds of disagreement (people saying 'no' for example), but not any 'boos'.
 
Yurt said:
lieberman for starters.

you're being disengious by claiming that only "you lie" is the only disrespectful thing a politician has ever done to a president.
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MacArthur's treatment of Truman when the CINC came to visit Korea comes to mind. Mac kept Truman waiting for a few hours, and then didn't bother to salute him when he finally showed up. This was all in the lead-up to Truman finally getting fed-up and firing MacArthur for being insubordinate and trying to escalate the war.
 
Folks are, seemingly "not getting it", or don't want to "get it".
We don't know the circumstances surrounding "the encounter". I would rather believe that Barack Obama was being his typical genteel self, and circumspect, asked her about her comments in the book. She, already having her back up, by his stance on her state and her policies, saw the opportunity to "take it to him", and let loose with "her mind", and her indignity at his question, and "gave him the finger". This isn't about a woman perturbed by a man, justly or unjustly. This is about a female Governor of a state, disrespecting the office of the Presidency, along the lines of Joe Wilson's outcry (in the middle of a SOTU address), and the hundreds if not thousands of threats against the life of this first black president, for either being "black" or being "POTUS". Or both. Did she forget where she was, or who was watching....or rather, was her action deliberate and intentional, knowing full well, the attention it would garner, what she stood to gain in terms of admiration and kudos for standing up to him, and "book sales". Please. Ugly. Dried up. Weather worn. Racist. Bigoted. Sometimes '"clueless". But not stupid.
 
the faux outrage over this is ludicrous. she isn't putting her finger in his face, he is six-four. if you objectively look at the photo, she merely has her finger up, as if making a point.

imo, the left does a major disservice to blacks and race by constantly making everything about obama a race issue. as if, because he is black, we should not judge him on his character, rather, we should judge him on his race. by focusing on race, you only propagate racism.
 
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