New Zealand beating the COVID-19 Trump virus

Cypress said:
Trump has never issued a mandatory national shelter in place order, and he has never hassled Trump-loving Republican governors to get off their ass and implement any mandatory orders
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what's the matter. son........some redneck been crowding your space at the Dollar General checkout?......
 
Sailor said:
Percentage wise Wales has more infections and deaths than the U.S. from COVID19. And you knew about the virus before the U.S., pipe down. Go find another sheep to fuck idiot.
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Living under imperialism, it is to be expected. You, living in the backwoods, will take a few months to take up and pass. Enjoy!
 
Penderyn said:
Living under imperialism, it is to be expected. You, living in the backwoods, will take a few months to take up and pass. Enjoy!
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Go chase your goats that are roaming your streets, America hating pende*o.

Llandudno: Wild goats take over Welsh town amid coronavirus ...
www.cnn.com › europe › wild-goats-wales-streets-lockdown-scli-gbr
Mar 31, 2020 - A coastal town in north Wales has found a whole new meaning to the phrase herd immunity, after goats were spotted roaming its quiet streets.
 
Penderyn said:
Living under imperialism, it is to be expected. You, living in the backwoods, will take a few months to take up and pass. Enjoy!
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To explain, briefly: the English capitalist government has been running down the NHS for some years, and destroyed much of the chemical production of the UK as part of its Brexit cavortings. In addition to this, they have been thieving from my Country for hundreds of years, and spending very little on it, so that the closure of the coal industry has left a lot of old, sick people whose children have tended to move elsewhere, to be replaced by rich, sick old English, who buy up the houses. All in all, our NHS is inevitably struggling. Never mind - the Johnson's of this world will pull through, and have never cared if ordinary people died!
 
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This article in this week's Spectator describes the typical bollocks from Crypiss, bollocks spouter extraordinaire. I just wonder how many liberals think this is proof that women are superior, neatly neglecting that the PM of Belgium is a woman and they have the highest death rate per capita.

I’m starting to wonder if the people who unfavourably compare Britain’s Covid experience with New Zealand’s are being wilfully stupid. There’s no other explanation. No reasonable person would compare the impact of a novel virus on these two nations without mentioning that we are starkly different countries.

You see it all the time now. Praise is heaped on the sainted Jacinda Ardern for doing what Boris Johnson has failed to do: protect her people from sickness and death. New Zealand has had just 21 deaths related to Covid; Britain has had 30,000. Which proves, apparently, that women are better leaders than men when it comes to dealing with crisis and calamity.

‘Women are better leaders – the pandemic proves it’, says CNN, with a pic of Ardern, naturally. ‘The secret weapon in the fight against coronavirus [is] women’, declares a writer for the Guardian. Ardern is a ‘world leader in combating the virus’, the Guardian says. Funny that so few of these Women-vs-Covid pieces mention Sophie Wilmes, the prime minister of Belgium, which has the worst death rate (per capita) in the world.

This week Momentum made one of its viral propaganda videos contrasting the wonderful Ardern with the evil Boris. Her leadership on Covid is why NZ has far fewer cases and deaths than the UK, it claims, and of course it’s being lapped up by Twitter lefties who live to bash the Tories.

The naivety in all of this is staggering. Of course Covid hasn’t moved through New Zealand in the same way it has through the UK, because, erm, New Zealand and the UK are unbelievably different countries.

New Zealand is slightly larger than the UK but it has a tiny population: around 4.8m. That’s half the population of London alone. NZ is sparsely populated. Its population density is 46 people per square mile, in comparison with England’s 710 people per square mile. It should surprise no one that contagious diseases spread more easily in densely populated countries.

What’s more, London is a global hub. It’s a financial, political, migrating hub in a way that Christchurch and Auckland aren’t. Even in terms of tourism, where NZ does well, the UK has up to 40m visitors a year, where New Zealand has around three million.

To put things in perspective, New Zealand has eight times as many sheep as it does people. I say this not to be insulting, but because it’s true! New Zealand is a wide open country with very few people. Perhaps Ms Ardern’s swift lockdown slowed Covid’s spread even more, but Covid’s move through New Zealand would have been fairly slow anyway, certainly in comparison to the UK.

The unfavourable comparisons between the UK and NZ are not based in science or reason, or even reality. Rather, they’re driven by one of the worst political trends in Covid-hit Britain: the urge to pin the blame for everything on Boris Johnson and his government.

I have no doubt that British officialdom has questions to answer about the lack of preparedness, the shortages in protective equipment, and policies such as sending elderly Covid-positive patients from hospitals back to care homes.

But the deeply cynical apportioning of culpability, where Boris is held personally responsible for Covid deaths, is not anything like a reasoned inquiry into the state’s failings. Instead it stinks of infantile Tory-bashing, and even worse – using the deaths of 30,000 people as little more than sticks with which to beat politicians some lefties don’t like.

Ms Ardern should not get overexcited about some of the gushing coverage she is receiving in liberal circles in the UK, because I’m afraid she is being marshalled to the low, morbid endeavour of using the Covid tragedy to score points against the Tories.

The virtual beatification of Ms Ardern by Brits of a liberal or leftish persuasion speaks to an inability to face up to political reality. We might call it Jed Barlet Syndrome. Jed Bartlet was the achingly liberal president superbly played by Martin Sheen in The West Wing. The broadcast of that TV show coincided with the presidency of the decidedly un-liberal George W Bush, bogeyman of right-thinking lefties everywhere. Bartlet became some people’s fantasy president, in a fictional White House that took their minds off the real White House.

Like Justin Trudeau – pre-blackface – Ms Ardern now plays a similar role for middle-class Brits horrified by Boris and Americans who hate Trump. Just as Trudeau’s dancing at Pride marches and wearing of ‘Eid Mubarak’ socks got the virtue-signalling set hot under the collar, so Ardern’s compassionate style and clever use of Instagram makes them wish she was in charge over here.
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https://app.spectator.co.uk/2020/05/08/why-boris-bashers-like-jacinda-ardern/content.html
 
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Cypress said:
Trump has never issued a mandatory national shelter in place order, and he has never hassled Trump-loving Republican governors to get off their ass and implement any mandatory orders
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Trump can't do this, Trump can't do that. That is all we hear from you leftists.
Now, you say he could have abruptly shut down and quarantine the whole damn
country? And you leftists wouldn't have gone ape shit? You're an idiot :rolleyes:
 
RB 60 said:
Trump can't do this, Trump can't do that. That is all we hear from you leftists.
Now, you say he could have abruptly shut down and quarantine the whole damn
country? And you leftists wouldn't have gone ape shit? You're an idiot :rolleyes:
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Power hungry and lacking in decency is what so many are ....Regressive Humans in numbers we have not seen like this in a long while.....but you are sorta close!
 
Grajonca said:
Helps to be an island nation over 10,000 kms from China, home of the Kung Flu!! A more useful example would be Taiwan where deaths are 0.3 per million after conducting 43,886 tests, compare that with the US with 50 deaths per million and well over 2 million tests and facing economic catastrophe.

They haven't had any lockdowns, people are still going to work despite being so close to mainland China. Naturally you won't go near that as it totally demolishes your argument!
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Taiwan has done 70,000 tests for 440 positive tests (less than 1%). That is because they are testing a lot of people who have just come into contact with people who tested positive. America's has closer to 20% positive rate, because America is only testing people who are showing symptoms, and ignoring the silent carriers. So to get to Taiwan's rates, we would need to test more than 30 times as many people as we are currently testing.

But Taiwan is able to test so much less, why is that? Because Taiwan front loaded the testing and got it under control. A forest fire requires much less water to put out when it is just a campfire. We cannot have Taiwan's levels of testing, because trump FAILED!!!

Taiwan is physically close to China, but in a state of near, or even technical war with China. China considers it a breakaway province, and is very angry that it has elected an independence government. Travel between China and Taiwan is very restricted. The easiest way for a Chinese citizen to go to Taiwan is through either Australia or New Zealand. So in many ways, New Zealand is closer than Taiwan.
 
Grajonca said:
They are just entering the flu season in Australia and New Zealand, Crypiss is full of shit as usual.
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If exiting the flu season will get rid of Covid-19, and entering it would cause it to be worse, then the USA should be fine, as Havana claims, and Australia and New Zealand should be a mess. The opposite is true.
 
For the past two weeks, New Zealand has been on lockdown. Citizens who are not deemed essential workers are being asked to stay home except for necessary trips to places like the grocery store or the pharmacy.
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pardon me for asking, but how is that different from what we did here?......
 
RB 60 said:
Trump can't do this, Trump can't do that. That is all we hear from you leftists.
Now, you say he could have abruptly shut down and quarantine the whole damn
country? And you leftists wouldn't have gone ape shit? You're an idiot :rolleyes:
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He's from California and totes a man bag. He is also partial to man meat from time to time, not that there's anything wrong with that!!
 
Walt said:
If exiting the flu season will get rid of Covid-19, and entering it would cause it to be worse, then the USA should be fine, as Havana claims, and Australia and New Zealand should be a mess. The opposite is true.
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It's just warming up in the Southern USA, it's going into Winter in New Zealand and Australia. Whilst you can catch the flu at any time, it's more likely to happen in the colder months of the year (April to October). The flu season typically peaks in August.

Stop talking such derisory bollocks ffs!

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...virus-fastest-scientists-200424065853466.html
 
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