How should we punish China?

Statement one is obvious. If you default on your debt, you will be a poor credit risk, and you will have to pay a higher interest rate as a result. Statement two follows statement one. The worse the credit risk, the higher the interest rate. Statement three is an opinion that I can't quantify. However, look to what happened to Icelands economy when it defaulted on it's debt. Iceland isn't an important player like the US. You would immediately see much higher interest rates, a highly devalued dollar, loss of confidence in US markets, a whole mix of bad results. When Iceland defaulted, their currency dropped 50%, their stock market lost 90% of it's value, and unemployment tripled. The credit rating for Icelands debt dropped from A to BBB. If we did the same, it would be an utter cluster.
It's not worth the effort to respond to Legion. S/he/it is not able to respond rationally nor is s/he/it capable of carrying on a rational discussion.

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The election of Trump was supposed to be The Failed Intelligentsia's last warning.

They refused to listen.

We are so screwed.
Dark Soul refuses to acknowledge the fact that Trump is busily making our government even more corrupt.

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Agreed. That's what happens when Presidents sign budgets or acts that spend more money annually than the nation makes in a year. Trump isn't alone in doing this, he's simply the one currently spending the most.


That's because he gave away a huge chunk of our national revenue. And now he's attacking Social Security, which is self funding, and which the government has been borrowing from for decades.

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Of course you won't because you and I know it doesn't exist. You've been caught lying. If you fessed up that you made a mistake, I'd accept it but now I know you are simply another lying POS coward.
All of the righties here lie and deny constantly, just like their hero Trump. They can't do anything else. The facts are always against them.

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Why do you think Trump likes spending so much money?
Because spending other people's money makes him feel good. Just as my inbox is full of begging by his campaign for contributions. If he really was the multibillionaire that he claims he is, he would have no need for campaign contributions.

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We cant be constantly changing the rules of this society, people and money need to have some idea of what to expect going forwards, surely these dimwits understand that much.....
Well, they are dimwits.

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Where did anyone say anything about breaking down factories & sending them to the USA?? FUCKIN NUMBSKULL...:palm:

Stick to your lane son, you're leaving a large whole in communist martyrdom, not to mention an empty space under a rock in Guangdong some place..
And you're just rambling mindlessly, not making any sense at all.

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All of the righties here lie and deny constantly, just like their hero Trump. They can't do anything else. The facts are always against them.

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Although the RWNJs deny it, I'm a rightie. What lies and denials do you think I've told?

Yes, Trump lies almost hourly. Is it because he's a chronic liar or delusional like the TD twins? Agreed, facts/truth will always win the day.

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It's not worth the effort to respond to Legion. S/he/it is not able to respond rationally nor is s/he/it capable of carrying on a rational discussion.

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Is that the real reason?? Or because he makes a pretzels out of the opinions you so freely offer up?? :rolleyes:
 
Dark Soul refuses to acknowledge the fact that Trump is busily making our government even more corrupt.

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I see Trump as chemo....as bad as this looks here is there to help. I have been talking for two decades about how broken and corrupt Washington is, about how bad the people are, which Trump understands and is working night and day to expose. Trump gets a Gold Star from me.
 
Is that the real reason?? Or because he makes a pretzels out of the opinions you so freely offer up?? :rolleyes:
What a laugh! Legion can't even begin to understand most of what's posted here. That's why he has to threadban most people when he starts a topic.

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1) Quadruple tariffs

2) Ban all Chinese ownership of US companies, housing, anything

3) Ban all Chinese students from attending American colleges and universities

4) Cancel US debt to China. Wipe it off the fucking books

5) Incentivize companies to bring manufacturing back to the US with tax incentives with the caveat that they have to keep their business in the US for at least 15 years or they pay back the tax breaks PLUS 25%

6) Impose tariffs on any other country that did business with China

That would crush them and return them to third world status where they belong
You far right wingers say the stupidest shit and then resent the hell that you’re perceived as ignorant morons.

Do you have any notion of the consequences of the policies you’re suggesting?

You don’t even bother to premise these nut job ideas by even stating punish China for what? For having the misfortune of a novel virus evolving there?

And you wonder why the GOP has become known as the party of stupid.
 
You far right wingers say the stupidest shit and then resent the hell that you’re perceived as ignorant morons.

Do you have any notion of the consequences of the policies you’re suggesting?

You don’t even bother to premise these nut job ideas by even stating punish China for what? For having the misfortune of a novel virus evolving there?

And you wonder why the GOP has become known as the party of stupid.
YIKES. so you are fine with China lying about human to human contact transmission ,
and China allowing international flights out of Wuhan but not from Wuhan to the rest of china
( and China also put nets in rivers to keep the populace contained there, as well as closing down footpaths)

So China knew the contagion and it's effects - that is the problem

What we can do about it is another story..
 
I see Trump as chemo....as bad as this looks here is there to help. I have been talking for two decades about how broken and corrupt Washington is, about how bad the people are, which Trump understands and is working night and day to expose. Trump gets a Gold Star from me.
Yet he nominates people who have no qualifications for the office that he's nominating them to, other than their loyalty to him.

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YIKES. so you are fine with China lying about human to human contact transmission ,
and China allowing international flights out of Wuhan but not from Wuhan to the rest of china
( and China also put nets in rivers to keep the populace contained there, as well as closing down footpaths)

So China knew the contagion and it's effects - that is the problem

What we can do about it is another story..
There isn’t a damn thing you said here that doesn’t apply here. This is just good ole fashioned xenophobia.

Which doesn’t change why this is incredibly stupid. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. The policies suggested by Teflon Dummy would harm us more than China. It would put more people out of work here than the corona virus has.

To top that off it’s just an idiotic example of fixing the blame and not the problem. China isn’t the problem here. There is virtually nothing that the Chinese could have done to prevent the spread of a novel virus given today’s ease of international travel by multiple means and given the nature of novel viruses. It just shows the level of ignorance about virology.
 
There isn’t a damn thing you said here that doesn’t apply here. This is just good ole fashioned xenophobia.

Which doesn’t change why this is incredibly stupid. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face. The policies suggested by Teflon Dummy would harm us more than China. It would put more people out of work here than the corona virus has.

To top that off it’s just an idiotic example of fixing the blame and not the problem. China isn’t the problem here. There is virtually nothing that the Chinese could have done to prevent the spread of a novel virus given today’s ease of international travel by multiple means and given the nature of novel viruses. It just shows the level of ignorance about virology.
I agree "punishing China" is a 2 edged sword.
about the best we can do is try to get back our strategic manufacturing (like pharmaceuticals) so we are not at risk of China holding them back..other then that China is extant -so we have to live with what is real.

China could have banned flights from China..what do you mean "nothing they could do?"
maybe they could allow "slow boats from China?" lol . thats ridiculous

It was spread to Italy as well by flights from China

Further they denied western access to come and see the patients.and access to the genome sequence
Futher they lied about the transmission
 
You far right wingers say the stupidest shit and then resent the hell that you’re perceived as ignorant morons.

Do you have any notion of the consequences of the policies you’re suggesting?

You don’t even bother to premise these nut job ideas by even stating punish China for what? For having the misfortune of a novel virus evolving there?

And you wonder why the GOP has become known as the party of stupid.

Like a typical dumb shit leftist. Long on insults, short on substance

What would be the consequences of moving manufacturing to the US? More American jobs? Higher standard of living? Less reliance on government? Yeah, that last one would be bad for you leftists wouldn't it?

Go fuck yourself
 
I agree "punishing China" is a 2 edged sword.
about the best we can do is try to get back our strategic manufacturing (like pharmaceuticals) so we are not at risk of China holding them back..other then that China is extant -so we have to live with what is real.

China could have banned flights from China..what do you mean "nothing they could do?"
maybe they could allow "slow boats from China?" lol . thats ridiculous

It was spread to Italy as well by flights from China

Further they denied western access to come and see the patients.and access to the genome sequence
Futher they lied about the transmission

It wouldn’t have worked! Don’t you know anything about virology or how viruses are transmitted? Particularly novel viruses? China would have had to do the impossible. Shut down all forms of transportation into and out of China. Have you observed how affectively we prevented the virus spread from multiple points of origin in our country? You might as well be blaming California or Texas or Florida for not containing the virus in their States and permitting to spread by not shutting down air traffic in those states. Never mind rail, road and boat travel! This an argument from ignorance nor does it address my point that this is an idiotic example of fix the blame and not the problem.
 
Like a typical dumb shit leftist. Long on insults, short on substance

What would be the consequences of moving manufacturing to the US? More American jobs? Higher standard of living? Less reliance on government? Yeah, that last one would be bad for you leftists wouldn't it?

Go fuck yourself

This isn’t some fucking leftist argument you mental midget. These are factual arguments while your ideas are arguments from ignorance. They wouldn’t work and the would do more harm to us than anyone by far. You can build a five hundred foot wall around this country and it wouldn’t fucking work. It would only take one infected bird or bat to fly over the mother fucker.

So spare us you fantasyland of right wing alternative facts.
 
It wouldn’t have worked! Don’t you know anything about virology or how viruses are transmitted? Particularly novel viruses? China would have had to do the impossible. Shut down all forms of transportation into and out of China. Have you observed how affectively we prevented the virus spread from multiple points of origin in our country? You might as well be blaming California or Texas or Florida for not containing the virus in their States and permitting to spread by not shutting down air traffic in those states. Never mind rail, road and boat travel! This an argument from ignorance nor does it address my point that this is an idiotic example of fix the blame and not the problem.
yes it would "have worked" -and that's NOT ADDRESSING THE LIES AND OBFUSCATION you like to glide over..
how much land traffic is there between the USA and China? Italy?
Do passenger ships ( do they even exist) pose the same risk as air travel?

You are making up excuses/ why i do not know
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?140212-It-s-China-not-Russia
the 15-page document detailing Beijing’s deliberate suppression of evidence, including: “disap*pearing” doctors and scientists who tried to sound the alarm; destroying proof at genomic-studies labs; and “bleaching of wildlife market stalls.” It also notes the regime’s “deadly denial of human-to-human trans*mission” when it knew the disease was spreading between people.

And China’s still stonewalling: It’s denying repeated international requests for a live virus sample from the first coronavirus cases. That would help researchers working on a vaccine — and maybe shed light on where and how the virus originated. Nor will it let in foreign experts to examine those origins.

Want more? An investigation by Canada’s Global News found that China secretly told embassies around the world to buy all personal protective equipment possible — in mid-January, when it knew the virus would likely go global.
 
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